What will you be celebrating this weekend?

[Beeherder]

 

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/052660-2009-06-30-is-it-time-for-declaration-of-independence-version-2.htm

and if you want to watch a movie try this one:

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi418775833/

no sunglasses needed in our reality

[The Future]

Mr. Rose better be careful what he wishes for.  Natives of North America and Hawaii may very well heed his call and expel the illegals without seeking anyone's permission.

[opsec]

The natives of North America and Hawaii came to their respective lands by moving from other continents making them every bit as much immigrants as the Europeans.

[Beeherder]

Yup the indigenous peoples of all the Americas would have cause to expel the Europeans and Asians but they are for the most part quite dead. And as for the ones in the US I invite them to consider joining now in this type of statement:

http://voluntarysociety.org./conditioning/misc/redeclaration1.html

[The Future]

The natives of North America and Hawaii came to their respective lands by moving from other continents making them every bit as much immigrants as the Europeans.

With that logic there would be no illegals in the US now.

[Beeherder]

There are no illegal people only illegal governments. All of the "illegal immigrants" currently in the USA were systematicly driven from the lands in their country of origin. Just as the Irish were driven from their lands during the great Irish famines of the 18th and 19th centuries. There was never a shortage of food in Ireland during those times it was all shipped to England while the dirty little taige's were left to die or immigrate.

That does not mean I want them here unless they are willing to assimilate just like every other wave of cheap labor the elite have imported. That means learning to speak English! I found that when I attempted to speak the language of the country I was visiting I was always welcomed no matter how much of an idiot I must have sounded like.

We are all in this together. Its class warfare and the other side is winning.

[darwinslair]

The natives of North America and Hawaii came to their respective lands by moving from other continents making them every bit as much immigrants as the Europeans.

<laughing> except they were there first.

Tom

[opsec]

First come, first serve. That's true.

[Beeherder]

Some recent archeology speculates that there was an ice bridge from Europe accross the northern Atlantic and that by fishing the edge of the ice Europeans were in the eastern US more than 14,000 years ago, before the clovis people previously believed to be the earliest inhabitants of north america. Similar research puts humans at the souther tip of South America even earlier but they were from Asia.

So what does that prove? nada, you are just as likely to be related to either one of those groups, that was a long time ago. Do you think they used political boundaries??? nah

[The Future]

ahem.  like i said, Mr. Rose better be careful what he wishes for...

[Beeherder]

 

When you posted that the first time I went and re-read the article in the Larken Rose link, shrugged my shoulders and moved on. I remain confused (a comon event for me) what do you mean?

I pray for the strength to stand for what I believe and that I will do what is right because it is right. I care not your origins, your color, your size, your sexual preference, your gender, your family status, or any of the labels used to divide us. I only care how you live and what you do. Seems to me this guy is advocating a world where each person is responsible for themselve and answers to no master. A world of voluntary asssociations, not coerced compliance and obediance to authority.

What are you seeing that i am missing?

[The Future]

If the natives cease to be compliant, obediant, answer to no master and willing to do whatever it takes to wrestle those who have taken over responsibility for their land...it sets up quite a dynamic.  Especially when you consider the waves of immigrants that are staking a claim for other people's property.  I'm sure they want the natives to remain compliant with the status quo or at least don't do anything to make them uncomfortable (thereby posing as a master).  You have so many in North American crying out for justice but it is so ironic that they want it on someone else's (stolen) resources.

[Beeherder]

Yes, that's quite a dynamic. When TPTB decide they have a need for your (name your favorite resource) you will be killed or expelled. Does not matter the country, this one or some other. You may be given the choice to obey or you may just be killed. So perhaps its time to recall the inscription:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

from the sonnet "The New Colssus" by Emma Lazarus engraved on the exterior pedestal of the Statue of Liberty in NY harbor.

So lets think about that for just a moment. Where did this statue come from: France. hmmm, Illuminati, Red Shield, hmmm? what could it all mean? Could it have come from the results of Red Shield's failure in 1812? or their success in 1865? Or was it in 1881? or 1912 on Jekyll Island? Could there be a power so subtle, so enduring? ... Nah that would be a conspiracy theory and we know the governments never conspire against their own people, RIGHT? Oh but those weren't governments manipulating things those were BANKSTERS.

This stuff is not new. Plato told us what to expect:

http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=402

do the right thing because it is right, you need no other reason.

[Dame]

 

do the right thing because it is right, you need no other reason.

This still begs the question of what/who is right and what/who is wrong and about what/who?

Freedom if it is for everyone, would mean each is free to have their own definition of free for them?  By what mechenism does one persons freedom not infringe on anothers?  Personally I see any form of predatory behavior as wrong.  A review of the links on this topic suggest that my view is hardly held by all.

The concept of "false conciousness" and forcing others to see the truth is common to most of the ideologies presented, here and elsewhere.  Trotsky was not an original thinker.  My personal operational definition of ideology as contrasted with fact is the line where any version of "false conciousness" is included.

[Beeherder]

Yes, there are predators among us, and they often rise to positions of power because of their inate psychopathy.

http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

I do not need a lawyer to tell me if something is legal. Sometimes I need a lawyer to protect me from legal threat but I learned as a young man the difference between right and wrong. I hope that most around me have done the same.

BTW, this admonition is paraphrased from the movie "Letters From Iwo Jima" when the captured American soldier is being interogated by his captors and they find the letter from his mother. The mother's letter closes with that admonition, and one of the Japanese soldiers whispers to his comrade, "That's the same thing my mother told me."

Is not Plato's Alegory an admonition to be cautuous of those "false conciousnesses"?

And speaking of false realities, Trotsky wasn't Russian, see if you can find out what his name was before the Bolshevik takeover.

My view of freedom is relatively simple and perhaps naive but here goes: Your right to swing your fist with wild abandon ends at my nose. Since I have been guilty of jousting at windmills myself I try not to notice when others are caught up in their own realities so long as they  are not a threat to me. Sometimes I succeed.