How about a more realistic discussion here? Where should one get a safe place?

[Ryder]

He also is coming out with another revision. I read 000 when we had a downloaded copy, single sided computer paper. The patriots has some new stuff.....I would definately recomend it for someone who hasn't read something similar. I want a basement like they have....unlimited supplies would be nice. Patriots is one of the few survival type novels that doesn't have raunchy sex.

[Dame]

Ryder, would you expand on the "basement".

[Average Joe]

They had a basement with "lockers" which held each member's store of food, ammo, gear, etc.  They must have been large considering the number of members and the size of a few years' supplies.  It's a good book - heavy on details, and represents a pretty serious breakdown of society.  I hope it doesn't become that bad. It emphasizes that there is strength in numbers.  If you want to prepare for the worst case scenario, find some other Texans who feel that way too and prepare together.  I also envision roaving gangs going through the countryside, killing, stealing, pillaging.  If they come knocking at your door, it will be best if there is a group of people to answer their knock.

IEFPRO, if you need to escape Austin, you might consider the Hill Country.  Perhaps the Medina/Bandera area. From Dallas, you might consider East Texas or SW Arkansas.  It is reccommended you be at least a tank of gas away from urban areas. Keep your tank full.  I believe you will know the signals of when to get out of Dodge, or Dallas, Austin, Ft Worth, San Antonio...

[Rusty Shackelford]

Thanks for the book titles Ryder.  I will read them.
As far as Patriots.  I read Triple Ought back in '98.  It is the precurser to Patriots.  Has anyone read both?  Should I take the time to read Patriots?  Is it that different?  I read the first couple chapters of Patirots and put it down.  As far as I could tell they were basically identical.  At least to that point in the book.  Patriots does have more pages so there must be some new info I suppose.

I read 000 back when the author first posted it in the survival forum.  I thought he had some good ideas, but he was a little heavy on the idealism - religion aspect it.

[Dame]

Topic: How about a more realistic discussion here? Where should one get a safe place?  (Read 514 times) 

I have taken the liberty to change the topic to: What is a safe place?  Safe from what?  What are the hazards?  Have the hazards changed that much?
 
Is a lot of it the increased media coverage of the issues and the participation of many more people in the higher risk markets with borrowed money?  Are we simply looking at some adjustments in the pecking order of who is affluent and who is not; and by what means?

I am seeing over the months here, more and more emphasis on political issues.  And politics, here as well as elsewhere, more and more concerned with the economy, where the economy is becomming less and less defined. 

My personal economy is more immediate than the markets.  It is what I can produce for myself to be consumed directly by myself and my family.  Markets are there in my life to provide what I cannot produce for myself in exchange for my own excess production.  Very hevily based on an individual investment in assets (hard asset savings)  for me to personally apply to production and my own knowledge and skill level.

Anyway the whole credit crisis, as it refers to the capacity to barrow dollars, is for me at least, less pressing than the trade credit issues of phoning, e-mail etc and doing business with persons who take my word for what I state I am going to do, and whom I trust to do what they say.  For me this is the credit of confidence.  ie) Shipping on the basis of a purchase order (generally verbal) on verbally agreed to terms of payment and trusting the transaction will be completed to the satisfaction of both parties.

I invite concuring and divergent opinions. 

[offdalip]

I was thinking today this thread was getting neglected.

Dame, it sounds to me that you already have your own safe place already. And, that is because you have hit the nail on the head of what a safe place is.
A SAFE PLACE IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY TRUSTS EACH OTHER AND COOPERATES TO PRODUCE THE ESSENTIALS"
Everybody's safe place however will differ in the actual process of putting it in to practice

[Dame]

Trust and cooperation are what we create.  There are a multitude of behaviors and activities over a period of time that go into the mix.

No amount of trust and cooperation is going to achive safety however if the basic resources and the skills and energy to use them are not available. 

High on my list is dirt with water.  The basic land resource upon which to grow food.
And then there is a whole list of other factors, such as geological stability....

[offdalip]

High on my list is dirt with water.  The basic land resource upon which to grow food.
And then there is a whole list of other factors, such as geological stability....

I've got that pretty well covered, what I lack is air stability ( as in hurricanes during the summer  )

[darwinslair]

Just as a note:

Look to places where people live in a sustainable fashion already.  That gives you a community from which you can learn, and an area that will support people already.

Many of the "amish" type sects have places all across the country, many in out of the way places which are not tourist spots.  They tend to be clannish but good neighbors.

Tom

[Dame]

Form many of these communities, of which the Amish are one of a number of groups, who have a collection of such communities, there is the issue of carpetbagging.  Carpetbagging is showing up and attempting to impose an expectation that ones needs will be met without being willing to learn and adopt the values and behaviors which create the capacity to meet the needs in the first place. 

The countryside is littered with commutters whose relocation is an attempt to get the best of both worlds (materially) without invisting themselves in the activities generating the positive attributes of either.