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My first $1000
« on: November 04, 2008, 08:12:25 PM »
Okay, so I have seen lists of where to get started regarding food.  Very helpful.  My question is this:  if I am just starting out (storing up supplies for survival--everything from duct tape to food), and I have $1000 to spend, what do I buy first?  I realize that it might be difficult to narrow down the list (which seems pretty huge) to just $1000 worth, but give it a try because I am LOST, but feeling deep conviction that I need to get movin' now!   

Also, regarding food.  I have my list (thanks to you!), but can I get some idea as to the best place to purchase the food?  I'm in a small town, so I would have to travel or order on the internet, so would like to be able to stock up without going to a million stores. 

Thank you in advance!

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 10:26:41 PM »
    The first place to start is a weapon. If you can't defend what little you have then for all practical purposes, you are storing supplies for somebody else. You can get a shotgun (Mossberg inc.) for as little as $250. Walmart has "00" buck rounds and a variety of other ammo.
 
    After you have secured some means of defense, the next priority is food and water. You can get most of what you need at Walmart. Walmart has gallon jugs of water for $.75 each and they come in stackable cases. $150 will get you 200 gallons of water (figure that's about 2-3 months worth). If you want to get food that is made to be stored for the long term then I recommend either waltonfeed.com or internet-grocer.com.

    Don't forget household essentials. You need toilet paper and soap at a minimum. Start counting now and figure out what your rate of consumption is for toilet paper. I find that a case from Costco is about a 3 month supply for me. Your mileage will vary.

    Plan for power outages too. You should have a radio with either a crank charger or extra batteries, and a couple of flashlights. Get the LED kind as it seems that the regular bulbs like to burn out at the worst possible time. Have a couple of walkie-talkies for security too. A person (or two...or three) will always have to be awake to post guard.

    Plan for waste disposal too. A 5 gallon bucket with some doubled up garbage bags as a liner kept in the garage will keep things sanitary. Have a place for the raw sewage to be stored until you are able to get rid of it.
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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 11:35:28 PM »
Hang on. First, let's find out what your situation is. Everyone's is different. Some of us are urban, some rural, some have zero debt, some have a little, a few of us have a lot, some have very secure jobs, some have insecure jobs, etc.

Knowing some parameters will help with decision making.

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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 10:56:03 AM »
We live in a smallish town (15,000 pop.) on the coast of Oregon.  No debt, but don't own our home.  My husband's job is actually not very secure (works for a flailing small business), but he's almost done w/ college, so that should change by the end of this school year (prayerfully).  We have 3 small children, who are the main reason that I am so concerned about having a food storage supply on hand.  We live in an area where the hunting is good and fish are easy to catch, but I know that every other person in the area will be hunting and fishing when food is needed.   

I guess we aren't starting totally from scratch--my husband has a rifle and some other hunting necessities.  Also, he has a nice tool collection.  We have a smallish supply of camping materials (tent, sleeping bags, some food preparation supplies).  I'm pretty stocked up on vitamins and medicines (about a year's worth).  We have several flashlights, one LED, but I'll get a few more.

I have seen a few sites that talk about 72-hour packs, but it seemed to me that we should worry about food, water, and household needs first.  How high up on the ladder are these packs?  They contain many of the supplies that I have seen listed as necessities, so I was thinking that I would start putting them together one at a time, as the extra $ becomes available. 

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 11:58:28 AM »
OK, now we are getting somewhere. Your husband's hunting rifle is all the self-defense you need, along with obvious security-conscious behaviors that we will get into on a forum-wide basis at some point. Rural coastal Oregon is not very dangerous (yet).

I'd like to suggest making your plans around the possibility of unemployment. This will be a common problem. If it never happens, great, but prepare yourselves financially and emotionally in case it does. Getting a good night's sleep with less worry, will probably contribute more to your happiness, than the alternatives.

Unfortunately $1,000 probably doesn't go very far for making house payments, so make a "Plan B" for if you are ever faced with a situation where you can't make the house payment. Think creatively. Do you have relatives in the area? Any way that you can turn the house into a source of income? (Probably not, but ignore that I said that--be creative and daring. I for example host homestay-students from abroad--that would not work for you but a cottage industry might).

Think of any income streams you can come up with. Now, this is my family, not yours, but just to give you ideas to think creatively: we once rented out a spare cello we had. It was only $15/month, but it was one income stream among many that we have. Plus, I know how to turn income streams into MORE income streams. Eventually we sold that cello--at a profit! So my son got years of use out of it, then we got several years income stream out of it, then we sold it at a profit.

You might want to consider keeping the $1000 as cash, and for now just buying some relatively cheap dry staples AND LEARNING HOW TO USE THEM. Don't just buy them and put them away; get used to using them on a daily basis. That way, your "burn rate" will decline as you use cheaper food and do less driving (because it stores well). I am talking about unbleached all-purpose flour (start with that, but you might eventually want to branch out into unbleached bread flour and unbleached pastry flour), rice, lentils (try lentils BEFORE beans as they are much less prone to causing flatulence), yellow split peas (if you can find them; they have a cleaner taste than green), and whatever your favorite type(s) of beans are. Now you will have a lot of trouble finding them in bulk in a small town! Do the best you can, and stock up the next time you are in a town with something like a Costco (there is one near Seaside) or better yet a Cash-and-Carry. Try not to make special trips, but plan your driving as tightly as possible. Gasoline prices have been falling, but this will not last so don't get used to it.

Do you know how to make home-made rolls? Biscuits? Dumplings (those are REALLY easy)? Those are all extremely popular with husbands and kids, and they are cheap to make, and will stretch your food budget. Wheat is fairly high in protein, but it is incomplete protein, so it is good to serve with some split pea soup, or sunflower seeds or garbanzo beans sprinkled on a salad, or stud your rolls with sunflower seeds, flax-seed, and that sort of thing. I think I will make chicken and dumplings tonight for dinner; my kids have been requesting it. That will get us one more day without driving to the store, as I have a little frozen chicken and about 500lbs of flour (not a joke). We have high-gluten flours for yeasted bread, all-purpose flour for noodles, and pastry flour for all sorts of biscuits, pancakes, and other quick-breads.

Do you have a yard? A lot of cool-weather vegetables will do well on the Oregon coast, and it will stretch out your food budget AND provide some emergency food. Have a look at our "Survival Crops" section; more crop suggestions will keep coming in. Generally what you will want to grow, are leafy greens in quantity, to slow down the digestion of starchy dry goods and provide vitamins like Folacin and Vitamin C that they don't.

Learn about complementary proteins if you don't already know about that. If you get protein from 2 dissimilar plant sources, it usually makes a complete protein. That is how Indians (from India--not Amnerinds) and Iranians live on a lot less meat than Europeans and Americans. Iranians have close to American and European protein consumption, from eating things like hard wheat and lentils. South Indians live significantly longer than Arabs (in Arabia) despite much lower per-capita incomes, and one reason is because of their healthy diet (and less propensity to smoke!).

This will cut your costs, both from the price of meat, and the necessity to either store it (deep freezes are expensive to run) or drive to fetch it from the market. If you husband is a regular hunter and/or fisherman, you might try living totally off whatever he brings in. That is what some of our members do.

As you cut costs, build up your savings, and then we can talk about next steps.

Is your husband registered on my site yet?  :hug004: I will probably be sponsoring a men's forum for talking about crisis leadership issues, at some point.
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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 10:41:54 PM »
I just took my evening walk and decided to try out my high tech backpack. It has lots of pockets and a trick lightweight frame that could be loaded with more than I could carry. I bought it for $5.00 at a yardsale. When you have the basics covered and start looking for other things be sure and look at yardsales and thrift shops. I personaly like college towns at the end of spring quarter. There are usaly some great sidewalk sales. :greet009:
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2008, 02:19:49 AM »

I have seen a few sites that talk about 72-hour packs, but it seemed to me that we should worry about food, water, and household needs first.  How high up on the ladder are these packs?  They contain many of the supplies that I have seen listed as necessities, so I was thinking that I would start putting them together one at a time, as the extra $ becomes available. 

The 72 hour kits are an example of false economy. Think about it, how long are you planning on surviving? A 72 hour kit will only stave off the inevitable for 3 days, then you are right back in the same situation you found yourself on 3 days ago. Instead of wasting money on 72 hour kits, the money would be better spent on stockpiling staples that will give you a much longer burn time for the money.

I didn't know you had a rifle. Your defensive needs are covered. Devote that money to some extra ammo and the rest goes to food. On the coast of Oregon you should have ample sources of surface water. A filter will supply all you need. I like the bucket purifier kit by Sawyer Products.
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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 12:17:15 PM »
 Cotofmly : As opsec said a 72 hr kit isn't much. Even FEMA is calling this minimum. They are now suggesting 2 weeks worth of supplies.
 Eugene Or. I believe has a Costco. Thats where I'd hit for my heavy shopping.
 Case lots are the way we go. Good storage is a must. Totes and sealed buckets protect your investment.
 I know that I sleep pretty good knowing there's 250 lbs of flour, 150 lbs of rice, 150 lbs of dried beans, 100 lbs of sugar, 50 lbs of salt , totes full of canned goods , pasta, coffee, honey ,  I could go on and on.
 And this is just for me and the Mrs. our kids are grown and gone.
 It's amazing how fast your preps will grow at $100. a month when you shop wise.
 Good luck and keep preping........Alaskan

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 08:48:43 PM »
I guess I have a different view of the  "72 hour kit". Yes I have bulk storage and water storage etc. But stashed in the bedroom closet and also thrown in the vehical whenever we travel is a small backpack full of "possibilities". All cheap stuff including raincoat, tarp, water, filter, knife, saw, first aid stuff and some high energy food. We currently live at the edge of suburbia with remote areas close by. I have spent considerable time out and about and something as simple as a tarp and firestarter can save your life. If you think you will always be able to hold off the hordes of mutant bikers......think again. We had a experience with a forest fire at our fairly remote cabin. In the space of 4 hours we were evacuated and prevented from coming back by military types in humvee's. I choose to live thru situations by whatever means I have. BTW after a storage building burns totaly down to about two inches of ash the silver dollars are still intact.
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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 07:58:38 AM »
I'm starting out just as you are, Catofmly, though without the $1000 to spend right now.

I'm hoping to do the whole Walmart shopping thing soon for the gun.   I do have an order in for a 72 hour survival kit- that I plan on keeping as an automobile emergency kit, along with some tools.  Did ya'll read the news about the motorists stranded in the snow storm in the Dakotas? 

I'm doing little by little, shopping for extra as I can..... besides the bulk warehouses, I've also been hitting up the Dollar Stores.  I hope to buy #10 cans of food online soon (MountainHouse.com), but until then, I can pick up canned vegetables for 3/$1 for short-range storage.  A case of antibacterial sprays will only cost $12 at the dollar store, plus all sorts of bandages, toothbrushes, soap, deodorant, shampoo- little essentials you use all the time, but don't think to store for the future....     I have to wrap my head around the fact that if the SHTF, I won't be able to run out to the corner store and pick up something I need.. I better already have it (and enough of it for YEARS) or know how to make it, or do without it.  I'm sure bartering will come into effect some time too.


Right now, I'm hunting on ebay for survival blankets, canning equipment, grain and meat grinders, water filters, crank powered emergency radios, heck I've even found a couple of crank washing machines.  I'm looking into 55 gallon drums for water and gas/oil storage.   I know I won't be able to stay in my present house (Long Island, NY- just outside NYC. I think we all can agree that whatever might happen, we're toast here)  I'm looking into ways of getting property and a house Upstate in the mountains. That's my big goal, and probably the hardest to attain.  I'll start another post on my feelings of why I need to get up there later on.

I've also got a large supply of Rubbermaid containers to store what I do have. walmart and discount stores are great for that.  I'm putting away cash a bit each week in a fireproof box.

There is SO much to do, on top of everything that needs to be done on a daily basis to keep going NOW, much less provide for the future.   :shocked013:   I'm so happy I found this website

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 10:33:15 AM »
'Starting out' is great, Brosia, regardless of how little or how much you have to start with. The important thing of course is to keep the preps going as consistently as possible, but not to let the whole scenario overtake your day-to-day living.

"I'm hoping to do the whole Walmart shopping thing soon for the gun."  Can I take it from this that you have not been a gun person to date? I am glad to see you've included a weapon in your plans: My SIL is adamant that they should all be banned... talk about having one's head buried in the sand!

Question regarding the antibacterial sprays: What do you use them for - injuries to your skin or for wiping down surfaces in the kitchen/bathroom etc? If it's the latter, save your money: Use a little vinegar for kitchen surfaces, and disinfectant or bleach for the bathroom/W.C.  Don't be swayed by advertising that suggests that dangerous germs are residing on every surface you touch: They may be there if those surfaces are dirty, but keeping things lean negates that problem. Besides, "there's nothing wrong with a few healthy germs", as Grandma used to say. Helps build up your natural immunity.

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Re: My first $1000
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 12:38:33 AM »
I'm hoping to do the whole Walmart shopping thing soon for the gun.

I think Walmart quit selling guns. All they have now is ammunition.

Did ya'll read the news about the motorists stranded in the snow storm in the Dakotas? 

(yawn)...happens every year. You can set your watch to it.

I know I won't be able to stay in my present house (Long Island, NY- just outside NYC. I think we all can agree that whatever might happen, we're toast here)  I'm looking into ways of getting property and a house Upstate in the mountains.

Have you given any thought to a boat large enought to live aboard for an extended period? It doesn't have to be a yacht. It couldn't possibly cost as much as a house in Upstate NY. That would solve much of your food supply problem too, just bring fishing gear and a 150 foot gill net.


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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2008, 04:40:40 PM »

Have you given any thought to a boat large enought to live aboard for an extended period? It doesn't have to be a yacht. It couldn't possibly cost as much as a house in Upstate NY. That would solve much of your food supply problem too, just bring fishing gear and a 150 foot gill net



Sea sick.  I cannot handle the water!  My husband has a 26' boat, I can't even go on it in the bay. I've tried to go on the large fishing charter boats, ferries, can't do it.  We were planning on going on a cruise with hubby's fire department this spring, I don't even know if I want to try.


Anyway, I think a gun for hunting/protection and fishing gear is a great idea. Gardening tools too.

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2008, 06:31:09 PM »
   Brosia: Too bad about your sea-sickness, I spent years at sea and only was sick twice. Both times were staying too late at the pub befor sailing.
 A boat is my plan B. I am watching a friends 168 ft . salmon tender / landing craft. The owner is in Hawaii dying of cancer. The vessel has 16,000 gallons of fuel on board , 600 gallons of gas and room for 12 people in cabins. Room on deck for 2 mobile hooms.
  My plan B was to sail to Prince William Sound and drop the anchor in an out of the way cove, with fish in the water , clams on the beach and deer on the island.
 I don't know about guns in your area , but fishing gear and garden tools are a pretty easy do at yard sales.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 12:22:44 AM »
Just wanted to give everyone an update:  We ended up with a little more than $1000, so I started by shopping sales for canned goods and other things that we use a lot of anyway (peanut butter, pancake batter, flour, etc.)  I don't usually keep extra food on hand, but shop once a week for what we need that week.  So, I'm already feeling a little more prepared than normal!
 I spoke with 2 local bakeries, and they are both holding the 5 gal buckets for me.  They were very friendly and happy to help, so hopefully that encourages anybody reading this who may be nervous about asking strangers to hold things for them (as I was).  We've ordered mylar bags and oxygen absorbers, and my husband (who is being paid to take a business trip to Portland next week) is going to do a Costco run while he's up there to fill up the car w/ staples (which will hold more w/o the family).  I am making my list for wal-mart supplies (including extra toiletries, ammo and flashlights), and a big thank you opsec for the tip on the water filtering bucket (we don't have a lot of room for huge drums of water).  That's our next purchase...maybe I'll do it tonight. 

That's it for now.  Any suggestions from you veterans would be helpful!  I'll probably be at the food storage phase for at least a few more months, but what's next after that?   

Thank you again!

 

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