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Gadaffi dead
« on: October 20, 2011, 10:26:16 AM »
Got up this morning to news reports that Gaddafi is dead.   sad23

I don't know whether or not the allegations against him were true; and I do not trust any of the news sources sufficiently to  consider any report verified.  Someone is dead and TPTB are saying they are going to proceed as if it were Gaddafi.

What I do find noteworthy is that up until now on Canadian news reports the commentary has been largely unfavorable to Canadian participation in the invasion, destruction and massive deaths in Libya.  With today's announcement the commentary is almost entirely carpetbagging related. 

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Re: Gadaffi dead
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 12:41:18 PM »
Umm...I just gotta ask...why are you crying over the news of Gaddafi being dead?
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 01:05:44 PM »
I do not know whether or not I am grieving his death. 

I am grieving a summary execution. 

I actually watched the live television feed of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald.  And there have been two recent news releases; the memoirs of Jackie Kennedy and the memoirs of the woman who claims to have been Oswald's girlfriend at the time.  Both claim the official version is considerably outside what they are prepared to believe. The death of Gadaffi leaves just as many unanswered questions. 

Why are you NOT mourning the loss of law? - the shooting of a prisoner of war by those who claim to be and are internationally recognized to be the current government. 

There are massive legal inconsistencies between the separate announcements coming out of most officials these days, here and abroad.

Do you think my grieving has me self-identifying as a target for a drone attack?

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 03:08:42 PM »
I just watched the video of him being brought into sirte from where the ambush took place.

He looked very much alive and even walking.

It definitely looked like the mob of rebel fighters tore him a new one.

4 minute vid showed him in camo's walking at the beginning and then
they beat him silly and he was wrapped in white blankets afterwards.........
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »
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Why are you NOT mourning the loss of law?


Refer to my second signature line.
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Re: Gadaffi dead
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 06:34:33 PM »
Sorry guys I did not see this was posted. I posted the one in news, not sure why this is posted under sanctuaries
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Re: Gadaffi dead
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 07:30:05 PM »
hancocs, are you aware of any Old Testament references to sanctuary similar to  the Christian Church(s) as sanctuary.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 08:42:13 PM »
Please enlighten me. I'm listening

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 09:52:46 PM »
On my part: a musing on free association.

I am not aware of any; and thought, if anyone here was aware of an Old Testament reference, it would be you.  Straight question.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 11:40:33 PM »
I'm by no means a bible scholar, that's for sure. So your question did intrige me because I know of none, so I thought I was going to learn something new. Sorry Dame, my misinterpretation.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 10:33:15 AM »

  the guy was far from a saint. certainly a dictator... But its clear to me he WAS trying to empower his nation. he was holding fast to power to do that. Probably keep a lot of wealth for himself I wont deny that. It appears true...

   there is not a doubt in the world he was taken out so africa would be easier to exploit. He was making an alternative to the IMf for africa. He had already launched african satellites that cost less to launch then africa was charged per YEAR for communications. the list goes on and on actually.

    And to get rid of him they empowered groups connected to the very groups we fight elsewhere? I find this absolutely sick!!!

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 10:52:11 AM »
I don't buy it .

he was an egotistical mass murderer pure and simple.

he should be put down like a dog.

Just because he tries to empower a group of people does not give him liberty to do anything
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2011, 10:10:41 PM »

  irrelevant whether or not he deserved to die imo...  because by the same rating that dictates a man as himself should die, MANY other leaders and government should as well... We are VERY selective about which ones we will put down. Heck the rebels we gave the country to have connections to those we fight in other nations. Many many times we empower dictators with perhaps less power but are equally dictators as this guy was.... recently he has gotten to the point he was indeed empowering africa, and offering an alternative to the control grid the west is forcing onto the continent. then we show up as saviors. I dont buy THAT.... not when tons of dictators roam free, and we in fact put many in place.

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Re: Gadaffi dead
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2011, 11:17:29 PM »
Bearing in mind that none of us have any significant influence on the situation, and this conversation is purely theoretical and not worth getting worked up over....

He was as he was, for better or worse. I would have preferred that someone not make a martyr out of him. There seems to be a pattern that high-ranking officials of invaded countries, and even their families, are targeted for summary execution. There also seems to be a pattern of suspicious deaths and blatant murders even in ostensibly civilized Europe.

Silverseeds point about double standards is well-taken. TBTB only "liberate" countries with strategic mineral assets--particularly and especially petroleum--or which lie in the path of same.

Breakdown of rule of law is a hazard for all of us.

I just looked up the figures on casualties. The estimates vary by so wide a margin as to be meaningless. But the low side figures still run into the thousands and are known to include civilian casualties of bombing runs. So, regardless of what you think of Ghadaffi, innocent people got caught in the crossfire and died, as is typical of wars.

There are also reports even in the mainstream media that racially black people have been targeted for reprisals, regardless of whether they, personally, were mercenaries or not. When I heard about that situation I was worried that that too would be the result.

Yet another concern I have regards some of Hilary Clinton's recent threats, if you read between the lines.
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Re: Gadaffi dead
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 03:15:10 AM »
  Just to be clear... Im not worked up or upset people disagree. merely elaborating a bit on what I feel is the case... I hope my stance doesnt offend anyone either. I know i seem to see many of the international power struggles differently then many here. this is the most thoughtful and intelligent collection of people on a forum Ive personally encountered.
 
Had libya not posed a threat to the economic control grid of the west over africa, or had various resources I highly doubt wed have this conversation because he would have retained power imo. Unless the rebels had won on their own that is.

   Im certainly not sad over the loss of such a man as him either, except that I do feel he was helping africa in some major areas. A void unlikely to have another step into, or be allowed to step into. That part of it is a shame. that said there is no doubt he deserved what he got. probably much worse actually if such a thing as karma exists.

 

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