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How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« on: July 05, 2011, 06:27:29 PM »
How plausible is it that someone would fake a murder to cover up an accident?

I'm not the least bit surprised at the verdict, and give kudos to the gossip columnists who correctly called this one.

From my many days of reading and analyzing news and trying to make sense of it, here are some factors I suspect are relevant:

1. Cindy Anthony committed perjury in favor of her daughter. Even after being exposed as a liar (she was provably at work the day someone looked up how to make chloroform), testifying favorably on her daughter's behalf was probably the most important factor.

2. The victim card. No matter how absurd or irrelevant claims of victimization are, many people's brains turn to mush, terrified of social pressure regarding make-believe moral obligations to imaginary "victims". Once Baez made the paternal rape claims, George Anthony was on trial.

Same thing happened in the case of the murder of Matthew Winkler. No amount of damning evidence (she killed him shortly after he discovered her check-kiting scheme, and confessed the whole thing to police) made any difference once she claimed--after consulting with lawyers on battered-woman defense--that he had forced her to "dress like a slut" and "do things" (not specified) that "made her feel uncomfortable".

3. The Lizzy Borden effect. People expect to see a big hulking man being accused of murder, not a demure young woman. No matter how brutal the murder (Lizzie Borden killed her father and stepmother with an ax after the druggist refused to sell her cyanide...burned her blood-spattered dress...got rid of the ax handle but not the head...), many people can not separate their prejudicial expectations from reality. Even to the extent that they sort of realize the evidence is damning, they can't visualize the perpetrator as being a continuing threat.

(Actually, Borden apparently never did kill anyone else. She got what she was apparently after: the inheritance. They had both resented their father for keeping them in what they considered an antiquated house, and for giving some money away to his wife's family.)

Since the perpetrator is not considered a "real" threat, the jury balks at a conviction that could result in her execution.

4. Possibly, suppression of evidence. I don't think the jury heard about the chloroform detected in Cindy's car. That, and incriminating statements Casey had made to police before she was a suspect, may have been barred.

5. Theatrics. The lawyer who puts on the better show wins.

Humans are primarily emotional, not rational, creatures.

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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 03:38:12 PM »
Remains the basic issue of would you rather convict the innocent or acquit the guilty.  To be human is to err. And, with the death penalty the possible outcome I would suspect most jurors would be double cautious.

Certainly not a perfect system,  error rate remains high.  Not sure we have a better one available. 

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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 04:39:12 PM »
I still can't believe she got away with this. :sick:
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 04:45:41 PM »
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Remains the basic issue of would you rather convict the innocent or acquit the guilty. 

That's exactly the thing, Dame: errors go both ways. It's not that the system is too lenient or too harsh, but too imperfect. I am fairly convinced that Texas has put several innocent men to death.

In one case, the key witness admitted years later that he had committed perjury, in order to stay in the USA.

In another case, the judge and prosecuting attorney were having an affair at the time of the trial. They were never disciplined for that outrage either.

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with the death penalty the possible outcome I would suspect most jurors would be double cautious.

I have strong reservations against un-necessary killing. From my point of view the goal is to prevent further harm and to send a message that unprovoked violent harm to others will not be tolerated (thanks to this fiasco, exactly the opposite message has been sent.  :rolleyes008: ). I would have been happy with 20 years "sous peine dure" as they used to say in the old days ("hard labor"). Then she would have been old enough to be much less likely to re-offend.
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 04:52:18 PM »
I still can't believe she got away with this. :sick:

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately I've gotten cynical enough that I can believe it and it wasn't all that surprising to me; I'm just horrified.

If any publisher DARES to publish the threatened "book" I will put them on my boycott list. I had no problems with "If I did it" (O.J. Simpson), because he didn't get the money, and it's important to me that people discover the truth. I will be outraged if Casey Anthony makes one dime off this; I was taught that the fundamental principle of criminal law is that criminals may not profit from their crimes.  :angry020:
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2011, 01:55:44 PM »
I'm going to use this.

At first I was angry. Now I'm not going to get mad, I'm going to get even. I'm collecting facts, quotes, and photos, and I'm going to use them for a project of mine that I hope will help prevent (some amount of) child abuse.

The project predated this horror, but now that I see the connection I'm going to put it to use and spin good out of evil.

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I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want for everything to work out OK. I completely trust my own judgment and know that I made the right decision. I just hope that the end justifies the means. I just want to know what the future will hold for me. I guess I will soon see – This is the happiest that I have been in a very long time. I hope that my happiness will continue to grow– I've made new friends that I really like. I've surrounded myself with good people – I am finally happy. Let's just hope that it doesn't change.
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Casey Anthony was a good mom.
--One of the jurors, as quoted by Associated Press
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2011, 08:57:16 PM »
I like it. Tell me how I can help out with this.
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2011, 12:29:36 AM »
I like it. Tell me how I can help out with this.

Keep your eyes out for quotes, photos, and facts that are likely to trigger emotional reactions, and please send them to me or otherwise make me aware of them.

Inane, unbelievable, or outrageous comments and behaviors from involved parties are particularly good ammunition. I'm finding lots of these myself.

Maybe you could also help with proofreading and reviewing. Much appreciated.

As you might be aware, I'm writing a story with embedded teaching regarding how to discipline children gently and effectively.

I figure that this solves two problems at the same time: less out-of-control behavior, and also less child abuse and less negative feelings about children.

I don't think Caylee's behavior was the trigger point, but rather, Casey's resentment of having to give her attention when she wanted to devote her attentions elsewhere. There was also the problem that Caylee was not welcome in the crowd that Casey wanted to hang out with.

But that's one of the very issues I highlighted in the book! In fact I'm all over it, and the first few pages are a comparable shock situation. Nobody killed, but dirty little secrets people hide behind a façade of social respectability, or in other words "what people do when they think nobody's looking", or in other words what the English call "public virtue private vice".

Except the nanny cams and security cams keep picking it up.  :gen003:

It also covers the bratty behavior that has become ubiquitous--but that's just the other side of the same coin: neglect.

When I was 19 years old, I went to go visit my father and stepmother. One night they took me out to see a play. We went to pick up some friends of my stepmother's. I'm dying to tell you what their names are because it's just so stereotypical, but to avoid the possibility of trouble let's just call them "Muff" and "Biff" (their real names are even worse, SNARK). They're executive-level bankers and "blue-bloods".

The older of their offspring was no more than 5. Another, around 3 or 4, was sick with a fever.

They sent them to bed, and we left. No baby-sitter.

Not that I would leave a sick kid with a hired babysitter, and certainly not for a night of theatre or any other unimportant matter!!!!

I was shocked. I didn't want to rock the boat, and it would not have helped, as I was too low-status. But I was greatly troubled. Even somewhat guilty for just having been involved to the extend I was.  :ashamed008:

These kids tended not to turn out well. Very self-centered, hedonistic, and narcissistic. (Like Casey Anthony).

Funny how so many unpleasant experiences of my dysfunctional youth are turning into useful ammunition in my older years.

At this point in my life, I think that happiness is largely a matter of being able to find joy and beauty digging potatoes--or whatever else it is that I'm doing to live. To find satisfaction in doing whatever sustains life. I dig until my hands are bleeding and covered with blisters, and then keep digging, the sun in my face and a song in my heart. And ethics is obtaining what you want only by your own productivity, or trading the value of your best for the value of others' best, and both coming out better for the deal. Never by unprovoked violence or deception.
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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2011, 12:37:50 AM »
BTW, there's obviously more to this story. I have more personal interest in child abuse than I disclose--hence my hair-trigger emotional reactions. Every time I read one of these stories, ghosts and demons haunt me. But a public forum is not the place for it, and now is not the time.

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Re: How I suspect Casey Anthony beat a murder rap
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 07:50:38 PM »
As I suspected would be the case, Cindy Anthony will not be prosecuted for perjury.

They could have gone after both parents, but Cindy was the more blatant, and the one who got caught.

If they want someone bad enough, they rack up huge numbers of charges as intimidation and leverage. In this case, they lack motivation.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/12/florida.anthony.investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Anthony's scattershot defense included challenges to forensic evidence; allegations that she had been molested by her father; an attempt to cast suspicion on the meter reader who discovered the girl's body...

"Relevance". I don't think it mattered in the end, but if someone is trying to rationalize a decision, throwing them a straw that so much as seems plausible to them is more than enough. I have seen numerous posts suggesting that many people bought the paternal molestation/fraternal rape stories, that are not only unlikely but totally irrelevant (you're not allowed to murder people even if your father and/or brother raped you...which by the way is quite rare along with alien abductions and satanic ritual abuse...it's more often a psychotic meme than reality...).

There are probably a few idiots with the will to believe that the meter reader did it.
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