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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2011, 11:51:13 PM »
The other part of the country it would be good for would be south and west of the corn belt where either it's too dry, or the soil too thin, for corn. Some of that territory IS growing corn, with irrigation, but that operation is sucking the Ogallala aquifer dry.

Your right, BUT that doesnt HAVE to be the case. Im working on it now with great success and likely to only get better.... but you can build soil anywhere. Corn actually has a wide range of possibilities especially if you tap into some of the wilder relatives. But even ignoring those there is a good range. Including corns that are extremely drought hardy, and also some that are very fast producing.

My point being is that we are facing long term issues, and need long term answers. We can build soil, I can lay out hordes of avenues for this. yes it takes time if you dont have outside inputs, but it can be done better then most realize. couple that with understanding your area, and breeding within those ranges, and there are hordes of avenues of production. 

I have no doubt I will have a corn growing only on water stored in the soil from winter within a few years. Selected out of various desert corns, grown on soil I built myself to highlight all possible variables as best as possible. Further it will be bred so that is is a heavy tassler, and as the hopi have shown (and science later proved) when there is good water the large number of tassles will all produce ears. when water is short, the tassles which are additional stalks will not take much of anything from the main stalk and in fact send there sugars to the main stalk for it to finish down which corn can be very efficient at if it needs to be.

In the same year as an early corn, if we had a late spring rain as we sometimes do, I could add some teparies, all with time to finish off with perhaps my rotated in wild greens mix (various wild greens Ive got dozens working on naturalizing and seeing what tastes best in what applications) ...planted with the monsoon season in late summer. (many not all like being planted that way)

so theres no reason we cannot have serviceable corn crops here. a similar project for warmer desert regions could focus on fast corns for prepped sites making use of monsoons before it gets to cold or the water is gone..... some corns have roots a few feet deep, and prepped sites could take advantage of this with some work. the type of work you only need to do once. Its the type of generational answer we NEED in this world.

Another project I have should make lentils and peas reliable here as well. Along with hordes of other things most wouldnt think this area could do..... easily a full ranged diet with a good number of choices. Along with being able to support animals multiples better then most here currently do.

My point being is that we dont HAVE to limit ourselves within what we currently feel are the confines of a given area or crop. we do indeed have the knowledge to take things up many notches, all a bit different for each area depending ont he variables of course. through using what amounts to terraforming, along with advanced soil building methods we can greatly alter many variables to the point we can sustainably provide much more from a given area then is currently viewed as feasible specifically in the harsher areas. Projects the world over have shown this with various things, and if you delve into the topic its easy to find hordes of other likely niches.

THESE are the types of answers we need to our current issues. Long term answers, that account for more variables. Ive got little doubt such concepts WILL be the norm at some point, simply because the current paradigm is set to fail, and what Im talking about is known enough that it will rise out of its semi obscurity in time. the bad thing is though it would be best if people got the best germplasm for these things now, while its still possible and that many involved in such projects dont seem to realize the power of breeding..

You can still greatly alter outcomes, by knowing how to build soil and the like, but breeding makes all the difference in the world.


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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 12:03:35 PM »
I am back from the farm, though not necessarily for long.

I'll try to get caught up later.

 Do ya' need some "co-op"/ communal part time help?  The wife recently read a story about some CSA's ( coomunity supported agriculture) groups and decided that's what she wants to do when she can retire in about 3 years.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2011, 01:06:24 AM »
Yes, we do, but the farm does not yet have enough infrastructure to make it worth an intern's time. However, Tom and I were talking about infrastructure today. Let's see what we can accomplish in 3 years.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2011, 01:23:55 PM »
Yes, we do, but the farm does not yet have enough infrastructure to make it worth an intern's time. However, Tom and I were talking about infrastructure today. Let's see what we can accomplish in 3 years.

What infrastructure are you referring too.  Buildings? Fences? Wells? etc.?

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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2011, 02:38:24 PM »
My wish list so far:

1 airy, multi-purpose utility building--like a Quonset hut--preferably zero maintenance. To be used for work and storage of tools and supplies.

1 large, sturdy, very wind-resistant (seen too many mishaps...) greenhouse big enough not only for raising seedlings but whole crops if needed during bad years like this one. Doesn't really have to be one huge one but it would be nice to have something big enough to be able to work comfortably and to have flexibility. Might have some economy of scale with a bigger one. It would be nice to have one smaller earth-sheltered greenhouse for overwintering tender plants like sweet potatoes. They'd go semi-dormant anyway when light levels got low but at least they wouldn't die. Heating gets expensive to run plus is prone to accidents that wipe out inventory.

At least one hand-pump on the high ground.

Repair or replacement of existing barn that was damaged by ash from Mt. St. Helens. The prevailing winds go southwest to northeast but there must have been a few days when they went the wrong way. The ash started a chemical reaction that destroyed the galvanization of the roof. Once the roof went the whole structure deteriorated.

1 very large capacity subterranean or at least earth-sheltered storage facility for temperature-stable storage.

Existing trailer repaired and up-graded for off-the-grid living. This is where we currently spend nights when working there.

Mobile home also set up for off-the-grid living. Don't need anything fancy, especially not for keeping taxes and maintenance low. Purpose is to make it possible to live on the farm full time.

Quality needs are high due to cost of hauling in parts and labor. However luxury is to be avoided as unnecessary expense and tax magnet.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2011, 11:47:52 AM »
finally catching up to this thread.  I am interested to securing some perennial sorghum.  How do I do that?  also curious as to what weed barrier you used?  I am using this as a time saver now also.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2011, 01:39:09 PM »
finally catching up to this thread.  I am interested to securing some perennial sorghum.  How do I do that?  also curious as to what weed barrier you used?  I am using this as a time saver now also.

 Good to see some life here. I haven't seen any new posts for a few weeks. Thought everybody else left :excited001:
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2011, 02:57:29 PM »
finally catching up to this thread.  I am interested to securing some perennial sorghum.  How do I do that?  also curious as to what weed barrier you used?  I am using this as a time saver now also.

Are you on our mailing list? Not that it's very active (yet), but I'll announce the results of our harvests once we collate them.

Sorghum hasn't ripened yet but I'm fairly sure it will. The perennial type looks fine.

But what will you do with it? You can eat it but it's not particularly choice for porridge--it's red sorghum. You can also make beer out of it. Otherwise, it's chicken-food.

We'll probably eventually have human-palatable perennial sorghum, but right now it's either-or. First we have to grow out the perennial sorghum, make sure the plants are really perennial (they're not known to be 100% perennial yet), and cross them to the human-palatable types.

We have an early white dwarf type that is human-palatable but not perennial. We also have one other but so far only one blossom and a few more on the way (I mean only 1 plant is blooming yet!!). That one is interesting for being highly bird-resistant (don't feed that one to chickens--it will kill them! =:-O ). I think that one would be valuable on Bermuda. Maybe we could send you a few seeds and have you grow them out.

One benefit of the existing perennial sorghum is that it's extremely easy to grow. It grows slightly cooler than normal, and therefor grows faster, crops earlier, and more heavily. If it survives the winter you get even earlier harvests the following year. I think this will be popular for chicken-food, because it is easier to grow and more disease-resistant than corn or millet. And chicken-food prices are soaring.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2011, 02:58:59 PM »
finally catching up to this thread.  I am interested to securing some perennial sorghum.  How do I do that?  also curious as to what weed barrier you used?  I am using this as a time saver now also.

 Good to see some life here. I haven't seen any new posts for a few weeks. Thought everybody else left :excited001:

I'm only posting a few posts these days. Busy with the farm and promoting the seed and tuber business. Beware that the forums will tell you that no new postings since your last visit, even if there are. It always tells me that. Something is not right with the query that builds the list, I think. Or maybe reading the cookie.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2011, 08:30:30 PM »
Beware that the forums will tell you that no new postings since your last visit, even if there are. It always tells me that. Something is not right with the query that builds the list, I think. Or maybe reading the cookie.

 when I check in I've been getting a "no new posts" OR "no new replies" even when I scroll down through the different threads It used to show recent/ that days posts in bold letters Not ( at least for me) in the last few weeks.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2011, 09:01:22 PM »
The lists have always been a little erratic for me.  I mostly check around every time I check in.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2011, 09:07:20 PM »

   yeah they dont always work for me either... they used to. strangely i noticed they are even less likely to work if its a thread I started.

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2011, 09:43:11 PM »
I'm glad you've noticed. I suspect it's a bug in the recent version I upgraded to.

Hopefully others will notice too and spot new posts. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2011, 10:21:13 PM »
I have been using the RSS? feed for a long time and therefore do not much need the page links.  If the glitch persists this might be a way around it.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2011, 10:31:42 PM »
Good idea. Someone else reads one of my blogs using the RSS reader capabilities of Thunderbird.
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