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Atash Hagmahani

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Back from the farm
« on: May 27, 2011, 10:59:58 AM »
I am back from the farm, though not necessarily for long.

I'll try to get caught up later.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 12:52:50 AM »
I am guessing the rich soil and abundant water feed a much richer fauna than we find in most of the rest of the state.

Here is something I spotted while cultivating and smoothing out the soil, that I rescued to prevent it from getting crushed:



Northwestern Salamander, Ambystoma gracile. Oddly generic name as we have many other native Salamanders. Used to see another, smaller species in my backyard at my previous house, hiding under rocks or logs. Salamanders used to be a lot more common than they are now; like frogs they do not deal well with human activities.

I found it in a wide-open field, hiding under some clods of dirt that had been pulled up by the farmer's disks. It survived being plowed. Strange place to find Salamanders, which usually stay in sheltered forested places. It would have been killed in the field so I took it to a more sheltered area, and let it crawl off on its own to some hiding places under a network of interlocking plant debris, that created a very sheltered location. Probably builds an underground nest and hibernates during the summer.

As usual I saw many other critters those two days, including some Pacific Ravens (uncommon where I live), some sort of homely little field mice (not one of our cuter types...), and a herd of deer  :rolleyes008:. On rare occasions I see and hear hummingbirds but not a lot of food for them. I should plant some wildflowers they like on the vacant ground around the field.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 04:44:01 AM »
Humming birds like the color red. If you pland red flowers you will have more of them than you can keep track of. I just saw a baby hummingbird in my back yard last week. I knew they were around, but I didn't know they were actually in town. It was so small that at first I thought I was looking at a very large bumble bee.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 10:27:39 AM »
Around here the Goldfinches are chasing the Hummingbirds.  Both species are highly aggressive so I will simply observe.  the Goldfinches are way bigger and the Hummingbirds are much faster.

I have not seen Salamander's here (too dry on the high ground) and I have not checked in the marsh where I can hear we have frogs.  Our local Garter Snake was sunning in a pail in the garden this week however, to my relief, as it will get rid of the mole eating the Asparagus.

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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 10:29:58 AM »
 :rolf: :rolf:  I am feeling the title of this thread misrepresents me as I rarely leave the farm.  

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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 10:33:27 AM »
:rolf: :rolf:  I am feeling the title of this thread misrepresents me as I rarely leave the farm.  

Some day soon that might be true of many of us. The economic system is unraveling at an accelerating pace. Might need to move closer to the food supply and keep our heads low.  :scared010:
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 02:59:26 PM »
Back again.

I got some more quinoa planted and most of my squashes, including some intentionally mixed early maxima types, two multipurpose hull-less seed types (for eating both flesh and seed), an improved form of an already amazingly sweet delicata type, some early butternuts, and what should be a high-quality maxima type. The groups that are not wanted to be cross-pollinated are scattered around the perimeter of a vegetation-choked  oxbow lake to keep them separated as much as possible.

Tom worked heroically to install a hilled-up ridge about 200 feet long. This required a lot of digging and Tom did it all in a sudden burst of tremendous exertion. I should have helped but he was almost done before I noticed; I was leaning over the quinoa transplanting them seedling by seeding. The tomatoes are 3 feet apart in two staggered rows, so there must be on the order of 132 tomatoes.

I helped him install a thin non-woven fabric over the ridge, which is designed to keep out weeds but, eventually, to let in rain (once it's damp enough to stop being water-repellant!). Weeds are quite a hassle with tomatoes. I am guessing the tomatoes will be allowed to simply sprawl, as the fabric will prevent them from touching the ground, which in this part of the world would cause them to rot.

Included are tomatoes with BLIGHT RESISTANCE, tomatoes with blue fuzzy leaves (practically speaking, a deterrent to pest predation, but also an ornamental feature), some "blue" (purple) tomatoes, at least one Solanum sysebrinthefolium (sp?)--aka the so-called "Litchee Tomato", various heirlooms Tom rescued my seed collection, that probably needed to be grown out because the seed is getting old, and some of Tim Peters (of Peters Seed and Research fame) small, determinate lines bred for ripening tomatoes in cool climates.

The latter are getting rare; some I got from Seed Ambassadors, and some from Tim himself.

Coincidentally, I enjoyed the hospitality of Tim and his mother last week down in Oregon, while he was collecting some of his property for salvage after his dad passed away.

Among other items being salvaged is some Sorghum seed. I have to tell you that it's an odd sight to see Soghum heads littering the ground all over the place in a mountain canyon that far north; Sorghum originates in the tropics, presumably somewhere in the vicinity of Nubia/Sudan/Ethiopia. Tim was growing great quantities of the stuff. Through the magic of plant breeding and selection he was able to develop varieties that grow cooler than is normal for the stuff, and oh by the way they have a tendency to be perennial.

I have 3 varieties of it in my back yard at the moment for lack of better ideas for where to put it--can't risk it on the farm because our small field on the high ground might get too dry before the Sorghum is established, or, ironically, it might simply fail to establish due to unusually cool weather this year, and it's hard to stay perennial when the farmer will come through with his plough. Unlike weedy Sorghum, Tim's perennial sorghum does not have rhizomes, just persistent root crowns, so it is not weedy.

Tim's Sorghums are "Red Sorghums" (actually, they're black, but maybe they cook red; in any case that's what they're called), and I've never actually had Red Sorghum before. My wife associates it with a type of porridge eaten in China, but I think a more common use is to make booze out of it, either sorghum beer or something stronger.

I also have a few more mainstream but rare annual Sorghums that need a home. One is just an anonymous early dwarf type, probably coincidentally bred in southern Oregon but not Tim's, but the other one is highly bird-resistant, a rare quality in grain sorghums (birds LOVE sorghum).

I wanted to plant them on the low ground where they would grow fast in the fertile soil, but ran out of time. It'll have to wait until next week, when we take down a load of potatoes and probably more tomatoes. We got back late as it was.

We were both tired and hungry so we stopped in a small town along the way to pick up some sandwiches, but everything was closed. There are a few thousand residents but the town looks deserted as EVERYTHING that's still open closes early. But a lot of businesses are shut down as the boom times at the local wood mill (doors, siding, moulding, stuff like that) have gone bust. The streets are almost deserted, even though it was only 10pm.

It was still light when we got there (we're far enough north for 10pm twilight during the summer), and Tom commented that none of the houses have gardens, food or otherwise. Just very plain lawns separating the houses.

Most of the yards are quite small--these are lumberjacks and wood-workers, not farmers--but to the extent that they have any land around their houses, and a few of them do have big yards, it seems as though people living so far from everyday conveniences not to mention competitive prices on groceries would have an incentive to try to grow SOMETHING to eat. At least some of the easier-to-grow and relatively handy backyard vegetable crops.

OK, now it's time to go do some yard work, including planting more of the Sorghum.  :chores017: :chores006:
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2011, 08:50:17 PM »
We are back from the garden for the day as well.  lol   About 30 yards, and we are tired now that we have eaten.  Still have some sweet corn, storage carrots and some squash to plant.

After that I want to move some raspberries to make it easier to maintain them with power equipment. 

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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2011, 10:46:34 PM »
I hope you enjoyed your time planting and transplanting despite the exertion. I do, even though my hands are now full of blisters and calluses.  :laughing002:
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 04:34:10 AM »
too hot , too much humidity, too many mosquitoes to do anything outside
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 08:41:11 AM »
atash, sounds like you and tom are doing some great work! glad you were able to help tim. glad he didn't lose anything.

we have and are growing sorghum here and have had no problems with it. i'd like to try some of the 'reds' when seed is available.

we're very late this year too due to cold. so far, no 'real' summer or really spring temps. putting in beans, toms, cukes, peppers, everything i the greenhouse outside today...looks like we finally have a nice one.

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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 11:56:32 AM »
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glad he didn't lose anything.

Unfortunately he did, but the losses already happened and this was a salvage operation. The good news is that we're slowly reassembling enough stuff to be useful.

And, if we can help him get reestablished back in the PNW, I've got lots of goodies for him to tinker with.

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we have and are growing sorghum here and have had no problems with it.

I've been thinking that Sorghum would be a good crop for the warmer, lower-elevation parts of the inland northwest. The other part of the country it would be good for would be south and west of the corn belt where either it's too dry, or the soil too thin, for corn. Some of that territory IS growing corn, with irrigation, but that operation is sucking the Ogallala aquifer dry. Maybe too parts of the southeastern USA where a lot of folks complain about leached clay soils that aren't good for many other crops. They could alternate it with peanuts and sweet potatoes, like they probably used to a long time ago.

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i'd like to try some of the 'reds' when seed is available.

If we get a crop this year, and we might (Sorghum is fast once it's warm), we should have enough for small packets. Both "reds" and "white". I might sacrifice a small amount for eating just to make sure we know what to recommend using it for. It's probably all fine but because Americans rarely eat the stuff, unless they have severe wheat sensitivities, I want to make sure it's palatable. One of the whites, the bird-resistant one, will be no good for animal feed.

We also need to document all the possible uses for it. So far I've come up with...

* porridge
* non-glutenous flour (see attached photo of cookies made out of it)
* beer
* chicken feed (except bird-resistant type)

Tim suggests paper. It would be interesting to try as an experiment. He's also proposed crossing and selecting it for multi-purposes--you know, eat the grain and make brooms out of the rest of the head.

Specific types used for syrup. That might be another venture. Tim points out that Sorghum is easier to grow than sugar-beets are (climate differentials aside...). Probably not as concentrated though; I bet it takes a lot of boiling down. Sugar Beets are around 1/3 sugar, plus they can grow in cooler climates than Sorghum can. Problem with sugar beets is that they have negligible resistance to weeds or predators. That's why GMO beets nearly totally replaced natural beets, subject to a court order in Oregon that I haven't heard the outcome of.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2011, 12:05:36 PM »
Funny we should end up growing Sorghum. The connections are that Tom is from the one and only state in the USA that has significant grain sorghum production, and his family raised that and wheat on their farm. Tim is interested in "everything" but I suspect his African connections are involved too. Ironically they don't grow much Sorghum in Kenya anymore--it's been mostly replaced with Corn/Maize--but they used to and I think it's still grown in parts of eastern and southern Africa.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2011, 12:09:55 PM »
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we're very late this year too due to cold. so far, no 'real' summer or really spring temps. putting in beans, toms, cukes, peppers, everything i the greenhouse outside today...looks like we finally have a nice one.

Same situation here. It was the only way that we would have ANYTHING to grow. Even some of our hardy grains needed help! :(  That's one reason we had so much work: transplanting is harder than direct-seeding.

I'm glad you had that greenhouse available to you, so that you could grow your starts.

Enjoy your crops.
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Re: Back from the farm
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2011, 11:26:58 PM »
Tim is interested in "everything" but I suspect his African connections are involved too.

  Im not going to try to speak for Tim, but Ive spoken with him on this topic. Id say he was likely interested in it because of the ways it could be bred. I doubt he cares much at all where it came from even if it interests him. he has worked on similar projects with wheat and ryes, and corn.

  there are hordes of interesting potentials to sorghum as you laid out. Im sure its as simple as that. The germplasm available, and how easy it was to work with all playing roles. he wanted the same things out of corn for instance. as far as I know he hasnt gotten to far with that one, but its on his mind anyway.

   

 

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