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Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« on: April 14, 2011, 12:46:20 AM »
This is a VERY IMPORTANT editorial!

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/doug-casey/keeping-capital-in-a-depression

Why? Because it's full of observations and predictions I've made myself!

It's called "confirmation bias". You believe what supports what you already believed.

But it's not like we confer with each other to create a consistent party line. Two very independent observers noticed some of the same phenomena and mechanisms, and came to similar conclusions. While we might both be wrong, there's less probability, than if similar conclusions were not based at least somewhat on objectivity.

However, I don't refer to average Americans as "Boobus Americanus". That's a tad...what...arrogant? Disrespectful? I wish he wouldn't do that, as people are reluctant to listen to people who call them unflattering names.  :rolleyes008:

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Business itself is seen as a convenient milk cow by bankrupt governments – and it’s much easier to tap small business than taxpayers at large. Big business (which I’ll arbitrarily define as companies with at least several thousand employees) actually encourages regulation and taxes, because their main competition is from small business – you – and they’re much more able to absorb the cost of new regulation and can hire lobbyists to influence its direction. Only a business that’s “too big to fail” can count on government help.

It’s clearly a double-edged sword, but running an active business is increasingly problematical. Unless it’s a special situation, I’d be inclined to sell a business, take the money, and run. It’s Atlas Shrugged time.
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We’ve previously dismissed the foolish and anachronistic idea of saving with dollars in a bank – so what can you save with, other than metals? The answer is “useful things,” mainly household commodities. I’m not sure exactly how bad the Greater Depression will be or how long it will last, but it makes all the sense in the world to stockpile usable things, in lieu of monetary savings.

The things I’m talking about could be generally described as “consumer perishables.” Instead of putting $10,000 extra in the bank, go out and buy things like motor oil, ammunition, light bulbs, toilet paper, cigarettes, liquor, soap, sugar and dried beans. There are many advantages to this.

Taxes– As these things go up in price and you consume them, you won’t have any resulting taxes, as you would for a successful investment. And you’ll beat the VAT, which we’ll surely see.

Volume Savings –When you buy a whole bunch at once, especially when Walmart or Costco has them on sale, you’ll greatly reduce your cost.
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During the last generation, mothers wanted their kids to grow up and be investment bankers. That thought will be totally banished soon, and for a long time. I suspect farmers and ranchers will become the next paradigm of success, after being viewed as backward hayseeds for generations.

Agriculture isn’t an easy business, and it has plenty of risks. But there’s always going to be a demand for its products, and I suspect the margins are going to stay high for a long time to come.

My reasoning differs from his on agriculture--I claim production is falling because big ag is dependent on finance, and finance is falling apart. Plus, we really do have a lot of people to feed, and fuel prices are rising...it's one of those "perfect storm" situations. Don't count on getting rich farming though--it's just that the end product will be relatively more valuable.

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I’m not crazy about commodity-type foods, like wheat, soy and corn; these are high-volume, industrial-style foods, subject to political interference. And they’re not important as foods for wealthy people, which is the profitable part of the market. Besides, grains are where everybody’s attention is directed.

I partially agree, though I think that wheat, corn, and soy are VERY important to wealthy people (they don't live on high-end produce and Kobe beef any more than the rest of us)--what he means is that they can still afford to take them for granted.

Problem is the "industrial" production is precisely what is falling apart, which is precisely why their prices are soaring. I'd rather have access to the genes, while access is still possible to be had...something he touches on elsewhere.

I can live without lettuce and spinach. I can't live without SOME staple.

Also...the ranks of the wealthy will be thinned...as I have been predicting...we probably disagree on that point though...he somewhat believes in the doctrine of progress and I do not.
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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 11:43:52 PM »
Recovery? or Depression?  Pretty much everyone sees a Greater Depression.

Inflationary or Deflationary Depression?
As far as I know, Bob Hoye, Bob Prechter, Nichole Foss, and other Deflationists are unrepentant. 

I am un-nerved by rising prices.  But I am not quite ready to accept that this Depression will be inflationary.

The 'useful things' strategy is a nice conservative approach to deal with an inflationary Depression.

Another aspect of 'useful things' is that it insures (a little) against the fragility of the Just In Time world.

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 04:47:59 AM »
Mike, think of it this way:

1. Classical economics says that the money supply expands during a credit expansion, and contracts during a credit contraction.

2. We agree that prices are based on supply and demand.

3. Since the supply of money is expanding during the credit expansion, and contracting (sort of) during the credit contraction, many economists, regardless of ideology, assume that prices rise during the credit expansion, and actually fall during the credit contraction.

Whether they actually do or not is another matter; the question is, have I fairly described the situation in broad terms up to now?

4. Item #3 is a result of people thinking in terms of WORDS, not PICTURES. Some of us, due to brain damage or lopsided brain architectures or whatever, think in terms of PICTURES not WORDS. I think in terms of imagining loans being made, money flowing through an economy, people manufacturing and buying/selling stuff, etc.

Words like "deflation" are poorly-defined for us, because we have difficulty mapping the word to an accurate picture of what is going on.

Here is how I model the situation in MY head (switching to Roman numerals to distinguish a different way of seeing the situation):

V. During the credit expansion, it's true that the money supply expands, but the "debit" side of the balance sheet is expanding right along with the "credit" side.

VI. Something else that's expanding--and this is the part that the Keynesians in particular miss--is productive capacity.

People aren't just borrowing money for pure consumption; a lot of the credit creation is going into loans to start new companies. Consumption increases but so does production.

It would seem as though you can expand consumption faster than production, but there are some natural dampeners on this process. I call one of these dampeners "you don't need two toasters". More money circulating does not imply that people rush out to buy extras of everything!

One thing that does happen is that a certain amount of consumption moves up the luxury scale. Many Chicago-School and Austrian economists overly-fixate on the reverse of this process: they can't imagine prices going up because they tend to assume that all consumption is infinitely "elastic".

It's not. When there's not enough wheat in the world, you don't substitute "something cheaper", you starve to death. It's not like the global supply of potatoes suddenly swells to make up the difference!! Instead, you find the price of potatoes suddenly shoots up too. The cheaper "substitute" (potatoes are only a substitute for wheat in terms of calories, not actual bread production or even food value) can not simultaneously fill the void and stay cheaper at the same time, nor does its supply suddenly increase. Even items whose production can be expanded--and not all can!!--take time to ramp up production.

VII. During the credit contraction, credit contracts BUT SO DO DEBITS. Loans get written off. I think it's true that there is more demand for money to repay debt but only to the extend that the ephemeral fiction that the debt is going to be repaid endures--which isn't all that long.

In order to continue the illusion as long as possible, there is a certain amount of central bank interference--but it consists of more credit creation!

VIII. During the credit contraction, credit contracts BUT SO DOES PRODUCTION. It appears that production falls faster than credit contracts! A small contraction in credit bankrupts a lot of businesses! There is some sort of implicit expectation among the deflationites that bankrupt factories continue to churn out goods.

They don't. If they are kept open as zombie businesses that implies MORE CREDIT CREATION. But not all companies are bailed out: the priority has been to bail out just certain segments of the economy. So, a lot of production collapses.

Now we're back to the fallacy of substitution. Not enough wheat implies that the supply of potatoes magically expands.

Wheat prices are rising, not falling. The deflationites imagine something to be happening, that goes against the evidence. POTATO PRICES ARE RISING.

Demand is not infinitely elastic. People want to continue eating during recessions. They also continue driving. Bailouts and subsidies actually make the problem worse! Expanding the social welfare system so that granny can continue her discretionary driving to bingo at the new community center puts MORE UPWARD pressure on prices.

Prices of "manufactured items" (as opposed to financial assets, which are somewhat "fictitious" (the oversupply of houses is not an "asset" it's a "waste" of houses sitting empty; the longer they sit empty the more their potential value is sliding back to zero not whatever they are on the books as)) are rising, not falling, exactly as I would expect from my mental models.  BTW, the oversupply of empty houses does not impact rent, at least not beneficially. Rents are starting to creep back up, at least for those actually paying it, and not getting a free ride from a broken foreclosure process.

IN THE END, EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE REASONS FOR IT. You just have to account for all of them.  :happy112:

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 09:21:03 AM »
Nice essay!

This was my favorite part:

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VIII. During the credit contraction, credit contracts BUT SO DOES PRODUCTION. It appears that production falls faster than credit contracts! A small contraction in credit bankrupts a lot of businesses! There is some sort of implicit expectation among the deflationites that bankrupt factories continue to churn out goods.



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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 11:18:39 AM »
Mike, this morning another factor came to me:

A lot of deflationites claim that during the credit contraction, productive capacity does not "disappear", it changes hands.

Is that what you see? What I see is that as one bookstore or music store or video shop is shut down by its bankrupt parent company, Amazon.com DOES NOT buy the building OR EVEN THE INVENTORY. It has zero incentive to either flood the market and destroy its own profit margins, or pay for warehousing.

Most of it will be pulped and/or sent to recycling stations or the dump. The bank ends on sitting on assets it is not set up to dispose of, especially not in any particularly efficient manner.

Housing as we have already seen is largely sitting empty. Some of it has been bulldozed!

Inasmuch as there really is a process of "creative destruction", it consists of shutting down wasteful misallocation of resources, rather than actually recycling the wasted resources.

Interestingly clothing is liquidated fairly efficiently: there are liquidators like Marshalls and Ross set up to sell it off at a discount. This is an exception.
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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 11:51:37 AM »
I see it the way you see it.

There is no 'creative destruction' going on.  The bookstore - Amazon example was perfect for illustration.

Assets like housing are not being put to productive use.  If they had been, housing prices would have fallen precipitously.  The cost of living would have fallen precipitously, at least so far as housing is concerned.

Instead, the housing wealth was wasted.  It is sitting vacant for too long.

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2011, 01:02:09 PM »
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4. Item #3 is a result of people thinking in terms of WORDS, not PICTURES. Some of us, due to brain damage or lopsided brain architectures or whatever, think in terms of PICTURES not WORDS. I think in terms of imagining loans being made, money flowing through an economy, people manufacturing and buying/selling stuff, etc.

Why is this "damage" or "lopsidedness"?  I don't think it is a defect.  Just one of the natural variations.  Some of us are verbal-sequential, and others are visual-spatial.

Why would you think that we aren't supposed to be this way?  Would it make sense for all humans to be meant to have the same brain architecture?  Isn't it important to the survival of the species that we have differing sets of talents?

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 04:48:21 PM »
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Why is this "damage" or "lopsidedness"?  I don't think it is a defect.  Just one of the natural variations.  Some of us are verbal-sequential, and others are visual-spatial.

Why would you think that we aren't supposed to be this way?  Would it make sense for all humans to be meant to have the same brain architecture?  Isn't it important to the survival of the species that we have differing sets of talents?

You're right, there is synergy going on with specialized skill sets. I should not have used negative language--but I did in part out of a belief that if I "accept" the prevailing opinion (not necessarily believe, but accept), it will be easier for me to deal with them emotionally. It was a defense mechanism.

My own thinking is "play the hand you're dealt". If you're good at X and not so good at Y, figure out how to make a living doing X.

One thing I have found challenging is simultaneously accepting what is, and being willing to change, at the same time. I get "attachments"--either to the status quo, or to the hoped-for change.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2011, 08:02:18 PM »
Nice essay!

This was my favorite part:

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VIII. During the credit contraction, credit contracts BUT SO DOES PRODUCTION. It appears that production falls faster than credit contracts! A small contraction in credit bankrupts a lot of businesses! There is some sort of implicit expectation among the deflationites that bankrupt factories continue to churn out goods.


I saw the bookstore example - but I was thinking about this factory. If someone can swoop in to buy this factory at a low price then less money is needed to pay down the factory so goods could be sold at a lower price. Of course, there's no reason to lower the price too much as long as there are buyers, but could push for some lowering of prices. So, what percentage of the time does this case happen and what percentage do things just sit or get torn down? And, how much does this result in actual price lowering versus just higher margins for the factory?

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 03:59:38 PM »
Tigger, that's a very interesting question. I have to confess that I am not very financially sophisticated, so bear with me.

Who is going to buy the factory and keep it running? What is their incentive?

I see a counter-incentive: if the factory is shut down, it will increase profits for the remaining factories, right? Supply and demand.

Doesn't the rise in unemployment during the Great Depression suggest that a lot of production gets shut down?

In the early days of the Great Depression, right after the crash, a lot of goods were discounted, because they had already been produced and were sitting idle in stores and warehouses. Production collapsed, but so did consumption. But bear in mind that at that time, roughly half the population of the country lived on farms, and could continue eating without buying food.

Prices rose after 1933, at which point the country was stuck in stagflation. Rising prices did not cure the shrinking economy, because rising prices do not imply capital accumulation and investment.
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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 01:38:43 AM »
  i know a bunch of PM holders waiting to take advantage of such things... im sure a few will pull it off depending on how things play out, where they are, and what the factory in question does.... youd have unions cleared out to if the place already went down, which im not saying is good or bad, but its sure cheaper.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2011, 06:48:08 PM »
Could it bee that the model of centralized (factory) production is dead? With the advent of self replicating personal 3D printers and personal manufacturing using publicly available software, who needs a factory? or employees? or unions? What if all forms of centralized control are dead? What will you invent to replace it? Will you manufacture a robot to build your personal electric generation components?

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2011, 10:24:01 PM »
Interesting idea about decentralization.

Anything that could lend itself to decentralization is probably best decentralized.  What might that be?

Education is the first thing that comes to mind.  Admitted!  there is a lot of inertia about 'going to college' and 'getting an education.'  But, could a top notch education be gotten at home & on line??

What things do not lend themselves to de-centralization?

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2011, 11:00:45 PM »
Tigger, that's a very interesting question. I have to confess that I am not very financially sophisticated, so bear with me.

Who is going to buy the factory and keep it running? What is their incentive?

Well, my questions weren't motivated by any special knowledge.

It's just that, if there is a possibility of falling prices, it would seem this is a way for it to happen. On the one hand, things have to align where a business becomes for sale, an entity finds out about the sale, the entity can afford the business, and the entity has the knowledge to succeed. That's a lot to align. But, just as low interest rates push people to make investments/purchases they might not make otherwise, a low enough price could bring in entities that could rescue/repurpose failed businesses. The incentive is to take advantage of a fire sale.

Momentum is likely a big issue, too. Starting something small and growing it slowly (and smartly) over time can be manageable. Jumping in and taking a hand at something big might not be.

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Re: Doug Casey: Keeping capital in a depression
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 12:12:03 AM »
Tigger, my guess is that the scenario that you described is most likely to occur when the government completely butts out of the situation. In that case, the best-run businesses will tend to be the survivors, instead of the most politically-connected being the survivors.

I think something else that would help would be if the bubble had never reached absurd proportions in the first place. Before central banks existed, bubbles popped fairly quickly, so that there was not so much over-supply in the first place. Then the survivors could buy up the assets of their failed competitors at discounts, put some of them into storage, and wait for inventory levels to subside to levels at which they could make profits.

Does that seem like a reasonable conjecture?
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