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$750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« on: February 23, 2011, 10:01:08 PM »
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/439/528/Why_its_huge_mistake_to_store_all_your_precious_metals_at_home.html

this guy had not enough opsec, not enough dogs and kept it hidden in the all too obvious safe/vault (which turns out not to be too safe)
instead of digging it in a hole in the ground or hiding it in a 5# bag of sugar/ 50# bag of wheat etc etc. I am all for storing it at home with the proper precautions.
Keep the vault only as a decoy with a few trinkets/decoys inside if you have loose lips
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Re: $750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 10:31:00 PM »
Yow! They knew he had it. Hiding it would not have worked because they pointed a gun at him and made him open the safe. They could just as well have forced him to reveal the hiding place had it been hidden.

For a long time, thieves were not conscious of precious metal. They only ever went after cash, electronics, and jewelry. Now they are becoming conscious of precious metal.

That makes me think, too...a lot of the coin dealers here are CARELESS. Minimal security! They say "well, here I am in the middle of (crowded neighborhood), who's going to rob me in broad daylight with all these witnesses?"

I think that was true when precious metals were relatively cheap. I would guess word is getting around. I suggest spreading the word among rightful owners and dealers.

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The victim is now wondering who could have provided the intruders with hints about the silver bars stored at his house. Friends, neighbours and relatives are the main suspects. Someone might have mentioned something to the wrong people, thereby letting the burglars find out about the silver bars, or they might have been informed by a third party.

The culprits are expected to try selling the metal to various precious metals traders. The victim did not say how much he paid for his silver stocks. Within one year the silver price has almost doubled from US$17 to US$33. A bank had refused to arrange for the storage of the silver for practical reasons, since it did not have enough space to store several thousand ounces. Moreover, the silver was not insured because the insurance cover had been too expensive
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Re: $750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 02:32:47 AM »
Note the use of disguise by the burglars. I don't know about Canada, but here in the US you can force the officers to show your their identification and they have to wait while you call the department to verify. They will bitch like hell itself, but that is the law and they know it.
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Re: $750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 09:54:58 AM »
This from yesterdays Casey report:

One of my best friends recently discovered, to his shock and dismay, that five one-ounce gold coins had been stolen from his home. I feel especially bad because I had encouraged him to buy some physical metal, giving him some tips and pointing him to the better dealers.

What's especially disconcerting about the theft is that my friend had the coins stored in a safe, hidden from view, securely locked, with the key hidden. He thought his gold was safe, a reasonable assumption given the precautions he'd taken.

But all those measures weren't enough. Based on what he knows, he strongly suspects it was a relative, partly because of this person's background and partly because they were one of few familiar enough with the house to know where the key might be. The police unfortunately don't have enough evidence to make an arrest - fingerprints, for one, couldn't be successfully lifted from the safe.

My friend was in shock for several days. While it didn't represent all the gold he owned, it's not insignificant; with gold at $1,400/ounce, that's seven grand the thief made off with. He's further consternated by how it went down; the robber only took part of his stash, evidently to make it look like his gold hadn't been disturbed. The key had also been put back in its place, and for this reason he can't pinpoint a specific time period the coins were stolen.

The cost to him has been more than monetary; he loved his bullion coins and had collected at least one from almost every country that produces them. He told me he occasionally took them out of the safe because they were, in his words, "beautiful... and I just loved the weight of them in my hand." His stash was starting to build up to a point where he had enough "savings" for almost any emergency. The pain deepened further when he learned that thanks to current IRS rules, he can't even write off the loss. (He's forgoing a homeowner's claim, given the industry's reputation for dropping customers for "small" claims.)

Needless to say, my friend is no longer storing his gold (and silver) in that safe. He's the kind that would normally shy away from using a bank safe deposit box, but not anymore. Even with that, though, he knew this method wasn't perfect and so explored all his options. He's decided to follow the suggestion I outline at the end.

After the dust settled, he told me that yes, he felt violated; yes, he's still angry; and yes, it's made him suspicious of others around him, a feeling he hates. "But what I suddenly realized," he said, "was how valuable gold is becoming again. It's not a 'barbarous relic' anymore... it's not a pretty coin or a hunk of metal or a commodity or even an investment. It really is money, and it's scary to think how dicey things might get when everyone sees gold as money again."

My friend is not poor; there were other valuables the thief could've snatched. He took the gold.

So what about you? How safe is your safe? Are your clever hiding spots clever enough?

Here's a quick checklist of the three most common places to store your gold. My friend overlooked one of the basic rules of home storage, so I hope you'll review where and how you store your precious metals so that you can avoid the same pain and loss he experienced...

Safe deposit box

The easiest and simplest way to store gold is in a safe deposit box at your local bank. If you go this route, use a local bank. You want to be able to get to your gold in an emergency, which is one of the reasons you own it in the first place. So don't keep it in a different state or a distant city. Keep it close.

However, as my friend acknowledges, a safe deposit box isn't perfect. First, your access is restricted; you can only get to the gold during regular banking hours. Second, safe deposit boxes are not insured against robbery. And last, a bank box compromises your privacy. It provides a generous clue for the government, in case it ever decides to repeat FDR's 1933 confiscation of gold.

Bury it

This is where the term "midnight gardening" comes from; people bury their gold at night so others won't notice the digging. The alternative is to find a separate reason for the excavation, such as fixing a pipe or removing a stump, and work in the daylight.

Either way, before those of you who are used to clean fingernails pass on this method, consider its advantages: it won't be damaged in a fire, and a burglar would need to know where to dig. A lot can happen in the world that won't disturb buried gold.

A few practicalities, if you decide to go the shovel route. First, use the right container, something airtight and waterproof. This is especially important if you are storing numismatics or are burying silver in any form. We've been told those water bottles that hikers use work pretty well, but choose one heavy enough to stand up to years of erosion and persistent insects. Another choice is a small section of PVC pipe from your local hardware store; cap the ends and then bury it in a shallow puddle of cement. Don't use a coffee can, since the color on the metal can bleed. To protect from scratching, put each coin in a plastic baggie or something similar.

Where do you bury it? Your location should be neither too easy nor too difficult to find. Not too easy, so that the gold won't be found by a thief. But not so difficult that years later, you or your heirs have trouble locating it. Complicated instructions (including treasure maps) can get muddled with time and create the risk your gold will never be dug up.

Find a place, on property you own, that you'll always remember but that isn't obvious if someone learns you've buried something valuable.

Keep in mind that most modern metal detectors can operate to a depth of about 4 feet for objects as large as a stash of coins or bars. There's also ground-penetrating radar, used primarily by forensic investigators, that can detect where digging has occurred, as well as satellites that can pinpoint where ground has been disturbed.

Hide it in your house and/or use a home safe

Indoor storage is practical for smaller quantities. You can probably think of dozens of places in your home where no one would think to look. Avoid any place obvious, such as a jewelry box or cookie jar. The disadvantage of this method is exposure to, as my friend can tell you, theft, along with fire, flood, and other natural disasters.

Consider using a safe, ideally one secured to the floor. As one dealer said, "A safe can be brought in on a two-wheeler and taken out on a two-wheeler if it hasn't been attached to a building or at least hidden." For obvious reasons, my friend is now gun-shy about using a safe with a key lock.

If you use a floor safe, locations for it include the garage, under a refrigerator, or anywhere you can place something over it. We recommend installing it yourself, and some of the kits make it easier than you it might expect. We wouldn't hire a contractor.

Leave the right trail

However you store your gold, let exactly one person know the details. It needs to be someone in whose honesty and discretion you have complete confidence. It will be that person's job to access the gold if you are incapacitated or die. If you are using a safe deposit box, his or her name should be included in the box registration, and they should know where to go to get the key.

Tell one person, but only one. No one else should know. This is especially important if you're using home storage. You don't want to come home someday to find your house turned upside down because someone heard you're living in a treasure chest. Even worse would be to come home and find a looter waiting to have a chat with you. My friend kept quiet about his gold, but admitted some family knew about it. That's all it took.

There's just no other way to say it: Keep quiet about your gold.

Unless you've reached a point in life where you are depending on your children for help with your affairs, a child is not a good choice as your gold storage confidant. Kids talk, and you don't know whom they might tell or how far the story might travel.

But you do need to tell someone, regardless of your storage method. I heard of an old miner who - no kidding - left a treasure map for his kids, to help them figure out where he'd hidden his gold. But someone else found the map - and his kids never got their inheritance. And what if the kids had received the map but weren't very good treasure hunters? I've read similar stories about descendants who knew that gold had been left for them but had no idea where it was.

What if more than one person already knows you have gold? Review your home storage methods to be absolutely sure they are adequate, or use one of the other methods such as a bank safe deposit box.

So what's the best place to store your physical gold? Well, your choices boil down to three: store your gold in a safe deposit box, bury it, or hide it indoors. Each method has pluses and minuses, but probably the best method is a combination of them all. In other words, diversify your storage locations. My friend could've been wiped out if the robber hadn't been trying to be sneaky.
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Re: $750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 11:40:05 AM »
There is a dilemma:

If nobody but you knows where the gold is, then if you die, you've effectively willed it to whoever finds it hundreds of years later. Treasure trove.

If you tell enough people where the gold is so that they will find it after you're dead, one of them might have loose lips that sink ships.

It's worse:

In the olden days, people took their gold to banks. Now we know from retrospect that the banks were loaning out the gold and giving people receipts. Eventually receipts started outnumbering the physical gold corresponding to them.

Historically there were something like 3 banks that were ever totally honest. Reputedly Napoleon was amused to discovered that the Bank of Hamburg had every last coin and bar accounted for...before he made a massive "withdrawal" and put them permanently out of business.

In 1933, Americans who owned gold one day woke up to discover that the government now owned it, and that the banks had replaced their precious metal with receipts. It then revalued the gold after the fact--a gigantic theft on top of theft.

The Chinese and Russians made similar discoveries, and there it was door-to-door searches.

A lot of people say "that was a long time ago...they would NEVER do that again". But back in the 1990s during a time of bank consolidations, a lot of merged banks in California lost track of paperwork (or there never was any, one small bank had just given customers keys and that's all the paperwork there was), and the new owners turned the contents over to the State of California, which immediately sold the contents.

I don't think the victims were ever compensated for that heist.

The bigger issue is lack of trust. You can't defend your property all by yourself, but whom can you trust?
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Re: $750,000 in Silver stolen from house
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 12:06:00 PM »
You gotta have people that are in it for more than the money. You need people who live the lifestyle with a sense of purpose that goes beyond this life.
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