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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 10:57:52 AM »
Please say more about why a country like China with a history which includes the "Boxer Rebellion" from the 17th century and the development of the world's opium empires and how they might be today related to this globalization idea. Could there be any relationship between the international banks and international drug trade through the 19th century? 20th century?

Could the Chinese see the current globalization as an opportunity for their play to enter the world system? And is there any reason to believe that China would see things from the European ptb perspective if those Eptb were the basis of that international banking system which enslaved China with this opium empire for several centuries? Could Doug Casey have a proper perspective here:

http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSolo.php?id=209&ppref=RVP209ED0211C

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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 11:34:21 AM »
Silverseeds, I understand your point of view and I agree that the globalists will try to save the system. One of the things they will likely do is establish some "basket of currencies" nonsense, and let the Chinese have a seat at the table.

I don't think it will work. The Europeans who are relatively well-organized flopped at the euro. Some countries quickly discovered that they could have inflationary policies, and let Germany pay for them. No matter what the rules are, there is no way to enforce them against massive moral hazard.

What about one world government? Well, we already have international shadow government, but it is missing a few players, China and Russia being two big ones.

There are other things going wrong too. The whole global economy was getting too dependent on "economies of scale". Well, there is a point of diminishing returns, and once it was hit, the whole thing starts going in reverse.

Also, the fuel to push goods around the globe is getting expensive, and global fleets are getting rusty.

 Id say you may be right but are missing many tidbits of history in your thinking here and vastly underestimating what we face.

 First of all like the shadow government the  IMF using SDRs appears to have ALREADY been decided. With both russia and china being among the backers. With an official from our own country saying our leaders are accepting of the idea, then later taking it back. With many other connected folks talking about it like its a done deal, it just needs phased in slowly so as not to collapse currencies to fast..... So this implies a shadow gov or atleast shadow decision making including those we are lead to think are our enemies... I will get to that in a bit. So at this level atleast this implies a base level agreement for a world power structure with decision making i.e. governance.

youll have to verify most of what Ive said here yourself, and cant find it all online but perhaps if you look deep enough. Does a possible war with russia or china show us they are NOT part of the international framework of governance NOW?  Lets go back to ww2 for a bit. Keep in mind the banksters, the money changers are the ones leading this. The financiers funded BOTH sides of ww2. Look into it. Its true. Rockefellers and rothechilds and others. BOTH sides. Along with many many american corps as well. The bush family and IBM being two well known ones but MANY others.... This was investigated for a brief bit, but then dropped with all those folks STAYING in key roles of power. Heck it goes deeper then that. At one point these "elites" wanted america on germanies side. WW1 this was true as well, that the same interests funded both sides not only making it possible but causing it. A means to and end. Keep in mind ww1(league of nations, so it would never happen again we were told) and 11(un and world courts others aspects) set up the initial ground work for world governance. Not all governments went in line so things like cfr popped up, and the world banks the IMF.... Who then systematically spent decades destabilizing countries and various means to put them into the fold.

 There was actually nazi rallies with over 100 congressmen/senators (mostly republicans but some dems to, hardly relevant though they work for the same folks to it seems)  There were protests, MAJOR ones and those leaders had to flee under repressive fire by our military!!!! WHOA!!! sounds nuts, how could people not of heard of this if true? Well dig into it is very true. Heck Ive seen video of it. So wait how does it go deep enough to control recording of reality itself? Well the school system is owned, as well as the media. It always has been but thats another topic. The media was never designed to inform but condition. With all info funneled through central points. School literally designed to conform people and separate conformers from those who dont, and push those who dont conform into a different form. Besides the PROVEN links of various wealthy people and groups into the war, and the street battle I described above and nazism tried to come out of the shadows in the states there was also general smedley butler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

At the time of his death he was the most decorated man in our nations military history!!! He stood before congress and told of a plot to overthrow the government of FDR. (fdr being a president who made it clear albiet not often that there was a shadow government and they dictated many of his moves, presidents all the way back to literally washington said such things to varying degrees) It was literally decided there WAS enough info to see there WAS indeed such a plot, but not enough to convict so it disappeared. It was called the business plot. My point being there is AMPLE evidence of VERY strong connections by the banksters to both sides of these conflicts and they got what they wanted from them, more centralization of power.

So.... then we have china and russia..... Germany enrued both lenin got back to russia and that the bolshviks however its spelled gained power. He then VERY systematically took power over the country and thought processes of those in it. Sadly its been awhile since I devled into this. there is a TON more. The banksters couldnt get what they wanted from the csars of russia, and they indeed helped instill and solidify the discontent that became the russian revolution along with having direct connections to those who landed on top after the dust settled. With more details your all be more likely to believe me, they are indeed there if you look this was 10 plus years ago for me. One aspect is 100 percent clear. whether or not TPTB held any connection AFTER they helped establish the russia we know today  they indeed helped form it in the start, that much is certain.

The same holds true for china although i remember the details on that even less. but there were several key points international interests helped shape what china became through their series of revolutions. Now I know since I forgot enough i cant offer PROOF of either of these aspects I will likely be ignored here. But is it really to hard to imagine? the way both countries played out? i will spend some time within the next few days and try to isolate some of those key points I am talking about. Yes on the surface this seems silly, to think international intersts could direct such things, but if in these two cases it didnt happen, (which it did I just forget the details) then these are about the only two countries the world controllers didnt get fingers into at some point.....

and like I briefly laid out, two forces seemingly diametrically opposed were held up and funded by the same folks in ww2. Is it any wonder the cold war could of been useful to such folks? or china, being 20 percent of the worlds people (explained as a model government by a few rockefellers and others) In the VERY least the groups who conveniently ALSO have a shadow government in these two countries worked with the westernized countries shadow governments in the beginning and a few other times.... Including making decisions on world currency now. Did the cold war benefit the tyrannies of russias goals? how about our own country? Of COURSE. this built the military industrial complex.  this built the alphabet agencies that are WELL above government as evidenced by their actions. Like the CIA which george bush senior ran for a time. You know the guy who played roles in building up the taliban, saddam, and osama bin laden. The guy whos grandpa DIRECTLY helped hitler along with his bankster buddies and was formerly questioned and such but it dissolved.

  I know I made a poor case here. Ive ever been good with names and dates. But if you dig deep enough you can see more then a passing connection between the changes and power structures within these major countries, and 100percent correlation between ALL smaller ones. Forced through international trade and other means to comply to less sovereignty. Lots of interesting qoutes from those eras as well by various powerful folks, but would take me a long time to dig them up, referencing russia and chinas changes, and the need for them etc, and them standing in the way of world governance as well as qoutes talking about them having now been into the fold. and interesting tidbits like reagan listing russia as an ally against aliens. It being widely believed this is the last card of the elite, all else fails to world domination fake a alien invasion to get the world to comply......

If Im right there are connections at the TOP levels, (which there was indeed atleast on a few issues) it certainly doesnt imply there wouldnt be fights for dominance within that shadow government. But there is way more then enough info to think its possible much of world history for 100 plus years was staged.... We know this is true in our own country. the banksters openly talking about how they used the crashes of 1903 and 06 i believe it was to force americans off their land. At the time 90 plus percent of americans owned land and grew atleast a chunk of their food. taxes and the crash in 29 also helped capitulate this. these were created and OPENLY talked about as being created at the time. Ive sat in a library reading old newspapers from those eras highlighting it. they were very proud of it. then we had the forced build up of industrial ag. built completely on false paradigms. BUT centralizing power over food production and slowly taking it away from the farmer. The school system etc as well. shape is different in each country, but most every country systematically disempowered their people. this was NOT a natural build up, this last century of free people C?HOOSING industrial ag or the even the types of things we buy in many cases. the school system set up expressly to combat inspiration and self empowerment, self determination etc in the literal words of its creators, and clearly that game hasnt changed indeed many presidents who reformed it, had studie that showed EMPOWERING minds is the way to go, they went the other way over and over which clearly indicates a plan being continually followed..... Yu see in china they Can empower minds, within a certain degree, because they all ready own them....

anyway take this as you will I dont have time to dig up proof on each point i made here or MA?NY MANY others, but there is indeed reason to suspect russia and china are and always have been allies to the globalists. In fact playing regions off of eachother has been cited by many globalists as the way to get there, and the way to KEEP us there....

So nope, it will not stop unless WE the people of earth end it. Sure as heck the economic conditions they set up will NOT topple their empire unless it inspires US to do so. It was built to BUILD their empire....

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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2011, 11:46:54 AM »

I think that TPTB would like to draw them into the system, but have not figured out how to do that, so we will end up in at least a cold war with the Chinese for exactly the same reasons, except this time we won't have to prop up China like we did the Soviet Union.

Really? Care to explain that. Our shelves are COVERED in chineese goods. Which came to this level through DIRECT government involvement and trade agreements that debased our own people. Seems they sit on the world table now. If TPTB had ONLY western interests at heart, was this simply greed in your mind? I highly doubt that myself, LOTS of other nations could of been picked as slave nations for us, south america, india, africa and were to a degree etc.... Im forgetting who it was, but one of the well connected families actually openly said in an interview that africa was picked for the role china now plays, but that it didnt work so well (I forget what happened but it ended up messy) so it was seen that china was the answer. actually it might of been the same one rockefeller said they were a model country, now that I think of it, but not sure..... they built them up knowing they were readying for war, so yeah we will see cold war in the very least. This seems to have been there from the start. Chinas military leaders certainly think this is true now, yet we still build china. We sure as heck didnt NEED chinas to buy our debt. that also was a tool to bring Us down, get us addicted to the idea of a nanny state and related issues, along with funding our global war machine...... It all fits like a puzzle to me....

What else would come about from war with china. could it be used to centralize power further? keep people in fear? afraid to question? to justify labelling dissent as dangerous etc etc.... No offense at all meant, but I think your not seeing the bigger picture here. China IS at the table now. what makes you think they arent? because officially they arent in a seat of power the same way western countries are? Could there be a reason for that also? We just spent decades transferring wealth and building their military directly. 20 percent of the world. Literal slaves. With various folks like rockefellers holding china up as the model country.....

I say all this knowing how its likely to be viewed by people here, but if Im right your likely to see more indications of it as this plays out..... Heck even breaking apart ww2 there are several battles that seem rather insane, unless killing masses was the goal...... that is another whole topic, but there are several where we gained NO strategic position and lined people up to die, again both sides funded by the same folks, and the ultimate result the initial stages of world governance...

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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2011, 12:08:19 PM »
Thanks for the review of many points already visited in my research as well. Not much difference in our view of how this country has been sold out over several generations and how they are now using all they learned from Bernase and his ilk at an even higher level of manipulation.

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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 01:49:28 PM »
  to put this another way. there is imo more then enough if you dig (this is something I did long ago with alot of info piled on since) to imply the shadows behind various nations have not only met but made agreements. No not enough I personally saw to know this is true, but more then enough to consider it. and in planning for what is coming i feel its best to take the most extreme possibilities into consideration. This certainly wouldnt imply such shadow groups actually always agree, but they could easily share common desires. perhaps an agreement on world governance, and regional "states" kinda thing. an asian bloc a euro one, americas or whatever.... If thats the case one might conclude russia not china could be the odd one out. Basically i think what i am saying is as probable as what atash laid out. I would say at this point and the level of filtering info gets before we can see it, that its impossible to gauge 100 percent, but theres more then enough to conclude there could be something there.

   i would ask why WOULDNT such leaders talk to eachother? Clearly china has its elite, clearly the western world does.... clearly some business and social terms have been set and since thats the case one can presume deeper levels are in contact as well..... To think we could gauge most of what could feasibly be discussed by such powers from what filters down to us is laughable at best....
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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 02:12:11 PM »
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Really? Care to explain that.

I am not sure what you want me to explain. Allow me to clarify my opinion just in case the problem is a misunderstanding.

I'm not claiming that China isn't integrated into the global economy. I'm claiming that it is not an integral part of the system of control.

The Chinese might very well buy US treasuries, but they do so of their own free will. It's not like Germany being forced to buy PIIGS bonds or being forced to commit troops to Afghanistan. The Chinese do show up for climate-change summits and similar globalist boondoggles but their participation is limited to reaping their own benefits.

Nobody forces them to do anything.

Their strategy is called "conquest through service". The provide cheap goods and capital, but quietly reap benefits such as technology transfers and capital accumulation. The consensus is they've won the Central Asian resource grab, without firing a shot.

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Im forgetting who it was, but one of the well connected families actually openly said in an interview that africa was picked for the role china now plays, but that it didnt work so well (I forget what happened but it ended up messy) so it was seen that china was the answer. actually it might of been the same one rockefeller said they were a model country, now that I think of it, but not sure

You're talking about David Rockefeller. Immediately after WW2, his family was fairly open about globalization, offshoring, and the New World Order. That's because they'd just waged a major traumatic war, that killed millions of people, and so average people were already primed to accept radical change.

It was both Africa and Latin America that were the intended offshore destinations.

Circa 1946 Mr. Rockefeller appeared in a series of articles in the New York Times, and in one of them, he is pictured surrounded by representatives of Latin American countries, and the article positively states that an economic crisis would occur if the USA did not immediately dismantle its factories and reassemble them in Latin America.

The reasons that it did not work out involve a very interesting dilemma.

The scheme was to loan countries in Africa and Latin America money to build industrial infrastructure. Typically it was hydroelectic dams (remember the Aswan High Dam?), bridges, railroads, airports, seaports, and other infrastructure related to moving resources, products, and people, and powering factories.

The loans paid typically for US and European engineering companies to come down, use "cheap" (but often, poorly-skilled) local labor and resources to build the infrastructure. The companies that got the contracts typically had cozy relationships with the banks.

Typically, the loans often had some sort of guarantee as part of a national or international development program, some of them under UN auspices. Taxpayers in various first-world countries of North America and Europe were on the line if the loans did not get paid back. But the idea was to pay them back with profits from selling finished goods back into North America and Europe.

Which never happened. A lot of things went wrong. The dilemma is that countries that accumulate capital don't need any "help" getting developed (this by the way is where the euphemism "developing nation" came from); they're self-starters, and therefor, harder to control. On the other hand countries that tend to spend capital on current consumption never "develop".

Eventually the bankers would lose their patience and demand "austerity programs". The populations would quickly balk at losing their cushy government jobs, and vote socialists into power, who would nationalize everything in sight, and then you'd have a round of assassinations and bribes.

It never went anywhere.

Meanwhile, circa the mid 1950s, there was a huge government lawsuit under the Sherman Antitrust laws against virtually every American consumer electronics company in the country. Remember "we" made televisions back then?

This was related to the previous scheme: the government was trying to enforce offshoring.

Several executives ended up in prison, and one committed suicide.

The companies did offshore...but in Japan, not Africa, and not Latin America. The company executives could see what the oligarchs could not as regards what would actually work.

That's how Asia eventually ended up being the beneficiary of offshoring, rather than Latin America and Africa as originally envisioned.
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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 02:45:15 PM »
   
      These folks didnt need china specifically though. I grew up in the 80s and tienaman square really rung scary for me. The largest by population country was running over its people with tanks in the streets. Then we set up to favor them in trade? One could conclude perhaps we had no choice, but that is hardly the case. There are many third worlders to exploit. we didnt NEED the huge debt machines china helped hold up. Seems like a mutual agreement to me. We will set you up as favored nation, you buy our dollars with X percent...... clearly that is indeed what happened. and it of course would of been decided by the globalists and chineese elite privately as the issues with the dollar and the IMFs SDRs appear to have been more recently.

      In fact it would of been OBVIOUS to them then that china is NOT the country to build up. that china and russia are the main threats to their empire. so why spend decades building them? Unless WE were to be the pressure valve on them controlling theirs at some point, and vice versa. WE built their military. the same globalists we are talking about whos biggest threat would of been clearly russia and china even then in the 80s and they built them???? Seems like common interests to me..... above and beyond simple financial interests. Keep in mind the globalist had a clear agenda even then. So seriously why built china?

  As a child it was clear to me china was a threat to anyone they decided they wanted to be. Clearly someone bent on owning the world would see the same threat. these are people that shaped the destinies of most countries on the planet. They could of failed building up some place as the slave labor but wouldnt empower one of only two real enemies they could possibly have, they would of gone somewhere else if it didnt serve their goals. so what COULD building up a massive army serve? because that is precisely what china did with the cash..... while some of the globalists held them up as a model nation.

  the people who systematically shaped destinies of the bulk of the world and they had NO choice but to build their enemy? we know in many other wars seemingly legit on the surface to many that said globalists built up their future enemies, well in advance.

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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2011, 03:13:57 AM »
I thought this article was interesting regarding this topic aside from the obvious uninformed anti-teaparty bias.

http://oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/International/The-Extraordinary-Events-in-the-Middle-East-and-the-Coming-Global-Tsunami.html
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Re: We're seeing significant milestones NOW
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2011, 09:36:01 PM »
SS lets not forget Plato's cave allegory, the puppeteers cast shadow projections that the cave dwellers believe is the reality of their world and in fact are willing to kill to maintain their illusion that the projections are real. This story is what? almost 2700 years old? Its not like humans have really changed much or that governments have changed much either. I like this animation of Plato's allegory:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/34287/Plato_s_Cave__Animated_/

The puppeteers of our world remain invisible yet to most inhabitants of our cave world but the internet is allowing more to do the basic research and beegin to see the realities and beauty in the real world that surrounds us and we are indeed an integral part of the natural world. I still have not been out in the light outside the cave of my own mind's illusions and the projections others have tried to place there long enough to see many if any of the real puppeteers but their presence is event by their false projections.

Saudi Arabia clearly made a deal with Kissenger/Nixon to accept unbacked dollars for oil, makes me wonder who owns everything in this country today. And China was not chosen by accident or recently, this has been in their plan for many decades maybe centuries. I see China is now building an aircraft carrier, wonder if that will affect anything?

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