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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2011, 08:43:11 AM »
Oh, good yummy walleye.

And crappie, bluegill, sunnies, perch, pike, bass, tulibee, rainbows, brookies, whitefish, lakers, etc etc etc.

<sigh> oh well.  Someday I will be able to vary my meat diet a bit more.  Until then, it is the venison.  Can fill a freezer fast with those.

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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2011, 08:48:09 AM »
Ill trade ya two rainbow trout for one of any panfish!  :laughing002:

They are fun to catch, and plentiful here, now if only I liked trout! :rolleyes008:

I did can some up, hoping they would taste more like salmon, nope they still taste like trout.
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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2011, 02:33:18 PM »
Try some curry and sweet pickle juice in the trout; makes it taste more like salmon.

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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2011, 02:06:32 AM »
I'm fortunate when it comes to fish. I like every fish except for Blue Hake. I bought a bag of that at Walmart and threw it out the first time I tried it. That is a very strong tasting fish.
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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2011, 03:33:13 AM »
SS, in the truely long term, after the methods, skills, tools etc have been relearned, I would agree with you.  In the shorter term, say a decade or two, I believe there will be serious transitional and adjustment problems.  Lifestyles, asperations, recreational activities, relationships...many things will need to change.

I certainly never said lifestyles wouldnt have to change or that many dont want to make those changes. What I meant is that anyone who honestly pursues the task, can do it well enough for a family if they have the land. Even on the poorest of sites with proper preparation or time and the right knowledge. I dont have any rose colored glasses. Ive been at this years. I tried eeeking out an existence on some tough land taking the knowledge of farming as i knew it from where i grew up in ohio to the high desert. Most of this knowledge is worthless here and i have since spent a few years before i knew how to manage a system, here within my variables under real world conditions. I live in an area considered non arable though by most definitions.

when you list lifestyles aspirations etc etc... your talking about the folks who arent adapting. yes society as a whole take a long time to adapt, people see what they want to see, or most of us. But those who honestly work at this goal, presuming they have the land and its in semi decent shape, will figure this out much much faster then 10-20 years. Even many of the folks on these boards who have gardened for years and are expanding now, all of them had they the time (no work that paid enough to buy food elsewhere) and seed would of been able to do so, yes with a few failures, theres no other way, and this is why personally i think its a good idea to grow a much wider range then most seem to do. society as a whole? sure it could easily take 10-20 or considerably more time as society reacts to new issues we seem to face.

Not counting any possible shortages food where there are hungry mob type scenarios, but lets say a slow decline as society adjusts to the new reality type scenarios.... food will be the first problem solved imo. because truthfully its an easy one or can be.... energy, the loss of mass communication, clothing, commodities, tools past basic forged handtools, various materials that make our lives easier and machined things etc etc.... those are all answerable to in many different ways actually, but those I would guess will take much longer for most areas to re incorporate fully. imho we could end up better off then we are now a generation or two from now, perhaps we will in the end be wise enough to take the best from what we built up recently, and the best from our past.... fuse them together with new understanding of adapting to life... not impossible and i can dream.....  :laughing002: 

anyway....

i honestly think anyone who truthfully pursues it will be able to grow all their food. In some cases the related knowledge needed is greater then others, or work harder but with determination its within peoples grasp.

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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2011, 08:21:41 AM »
I'm fortunate when it comes to fish. I like every fish except for Blue Hake. I bought a bag of that at Walmart and threw it out the first time I tried it. That is a very strong tasting fish.

Should have used it as fertilizer

works great for corn.  just cut it into small cubes and plant it underneath the seeds.

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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2011, 04:28:11 PM »
Good thought. I don't have a garden going where I am now unfortunately.
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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2011, 05:33:19 PM »
I think there will be a "culture shock" going on for a bit.

I have lots of grandchildren, and the mothers who cook from scratch meals, the kids are easy to feed.
But, the processed, frozen food moms have kids that are impossible to feed.  It has to look like it just came out of the plastic or cardboard or it isn't food.  I make homemade pizzas on a real pizza stone and they won't eat them, even if they help make them!  It doesn't look like the frozen ones.

I am raising one granddaughter, she loves trying new things, last weekend she tried frog legs at the local chinese restaurant.  She loved them!  And she has tried many items that alot of kids wouldn't even look at.

But, it isn't just the kids.  My mother-in-law simply will not eat meat that does not come from beef or pork.
And she won't even try goatmilk, so I am using goat milk to spray my garden, what do you do with excess?  And she is buying milk at the store, when mine is better, healthier and tastes the same!

My venison burgers taste just like hamburger, and yet, she won't try.  One daughter-in-law, won't eat Bambi!
And the fishing crazy daughter-in-law only eats fish sticks from the store!

So, I think culture shock will hit.  Folks need to learn to eat a larger diet, and that would be healthier for them, and less of a load on a few crops.

I am going to try alternative grains and greens this year.  And I hope to get all the squirrels that my hunting license will allow me to take!  Yes, I do deer hunt too, and we do eat the deer meat.

I don't care for raccoon, it rates up there with trout... good fertilizer!

The wise will get the "culture shock" out of the way now, so that during high stress, it won't be so odd!
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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2011, 06:19:07 PM »
Good thought. I don't have a garden going where I am now unfortunately.

So what. Dig a hole and pile them in anyway..... Get a compost pile going, pile yard wastes if you have any or could collect them from others.... Lots of other ways to. Ive heard you say youd wait out and REALLY rough times, until things settled a bit because of dieoff. That certainly could be a wise move depending on how things play out.(though you COULD still supplement your stored food with things few know are foods, what if its five years, or 20??)But you can get the soil going now. At least with table scraps if nothing else.

Building soil at this point of time is kinda like putting money into a retirement account.

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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2011, 06:24:48 PM »
Point taken. The problem though is that I'm renting now and I'm planning on moving soon anyways. I'm planning on getting a piece of dirt to call my own and then I'll get things online in ernest.
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Re: Top 100 items to disappear first
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2011, 11:41:57 PM »
Good move Opsec, to get someplace where you can grow things appropriate to your climate. Yeah there is something good to eat even in a g-d forsaken desert if you can grow things that don't look like food. Things like gooseberries that double as privacy fencing and food, i know you are caching food and seeds. Have you considered things like the simple worm farm? Even if you don't use it right away having the makings in your cache kit might help get that soil at your new abode energized.

This year the 30 year old refrigerator gets turned into a giant worm farm, thanks to the ideas of the Colorado Worm Man. Then that space becomes storage for more dry goods and the most inefficient appliance in my house goes away. Worms may not make such cuddly little lap pets but they do great things with waste, green waste, cardboard waste, organic waste converted to viable growing medium in a few weeks. For some cool ideas about worms see:

http://www.cowormman.org/

 

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