Misguided employer blames troops for unpopular policies they do not create

[Atash Hagmahani]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258249/Company-boss-compares-troops-paedophiles-refusing-request-provide-jobs-soldiers.html?ITO=1490

Karl Winn, 60, said he would rather 'recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters' than employ former servicemen or women.

Part of the problem of being a soldier:

* You get blamed for unpopular wars that you didn't start.
* You get lip-service without substance from the government and the "support our troops" crowd.
* As a result you end up chronically unemployed or underemployed upon return home.

Despite initially blaming a disgruntled ex-worker who he claimed had hacked into his emails, Mr Winn later admitted to The Sun that he had written them - and stood by his comments.

Shoots off his mouth and then lacks the courage of his conviction. 

[darkdwarf]

Those of us that have served have done so, so that even those that slander us can continue to say what they believe with out prosecution, even from ourselves. We remember honor, even when those we protect do not, even when those that lead us do not. All we can do is lead by example; anything else is tyranny.

[hancocs]

Well said 

[Eddie]

Lets take a little poll.

How many here would fight for there country?

[opsec]

My country died a long time ago...but to answer the question a little more directly, yes I would have.

[Atash Hagmahani]

I'm with Opsec; I would if it were MY country but this is not MY country. It's run by and therefor belongs to traitors and organized crime syndicates.

Part of my outrage in posting the article was that the guy is reported to have said he'd rather hire "ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters", which sounds outrageous as both an insult to soldiers and an insult to common decency (hiring child molesters indeed!).

I hope he puts his money where his mouth is and gets what he wishes for. 

[darkdwarf]

It is still my country! It is just under *&%$ poor management for the last 100 + years. Unfortunately, I was in the military by the time I figured this out. Americans are slowly waking up, though. Perhaps too late; perhaps not. Unfortunately, although they are waking up, they are like bear that has been tranquilized in its native habitat and woke up in a zoo. He knows something is wrong, but not what is wrong or what to do about it.  All we can do for now is live with as little of the SYSTEM as possible, stay out of debt, raise as much food as you can, make as much of your energy as possible, and do what you can locally to change the management. Most importantly, be prepared to to inform those that are waking up, because if the majority of these wakers choose incorrectly....   

Sorry for the rant everyone, even though I am just a farmer who likes to network computers, the current management of this country made certain I knew how to fight--I just now choose to use a garden-hoe as my primary weapon. Yes, I would fight for My county.

[Lady Lilya]

The question isn't specific enough, as evidenced by the different interpretations in the answers.

Would you fight to take your country back from those who have hijacked it out from under us while we weren't paying attention?

[Atash Hagmahani]

Yes, you're absolutely right; we were answering different questions based on our interpretations of what the status quo means. To my ears it sounds too much like "would I die to save Barney Frank?" (US senator who put his juvenile delinquent catamite on the public payroll and got away with it). Hell no.

I have been giving your restatement of the question a lot of thought lately. While the status quo is getting very uncomfortable for those who actually produce goods and services (the geese that lay golden eggs...), IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. As they kill off the collective geese by wrecking the overall economic system, the parasite is killing its own host.

That's why I said a long time ago that this is a "war of attrition". Outlast the troublemakers. I am predicting that the balance of power will shift as there are sudden, catastrophic shifts in the system that the Establishment can't adapt to fast enough. I hate the French Revolution, but think about what happened:

The military aristocracy, which controlled the land on which crops were grown, collapsed because the locus of power shifted from control of the land to control of finance and production of manufactured goods. It is very difficult to control a whole economic system when the money collapses into hyperinflation, as happened several times in France around that time frame; no amount of military training will help when the officers have no funds to pay their troops, who defect to the revolution. Something similar will happen again, as the locus of power shifts from control of finance (which buys up media and politicians) to control of real goods. Think about all the big money-center banks that "own" a lot of houses--that are worthless because they're just sitting empty, not collecting any rent.

Open confrontation won't work; the status quo is too deeply-entrenched. Don't provoke hellfire on your head. To resolve darkdwarf's tautology:

Perhaps too late; perhaps not.

It's too late to save the present system. The time to do something was at least 100 years ago. IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO "SAVE" THE FUTURE! Turn your attention from what you lost, and towards what you want.

[Atash Hagmahani]

even though I am just a farmer

Don't sell yourself short, Bud,  your status in life may rise as the importance of food becomes more obvious. 

[darkdwarf]

OK I had to look up tautology.  Thanks, for the new word, Atash.

[hancocs]

I would fight for the freedom on my country if it were to effect my kids future in a positive way.

[Eddie]

That's about what I expected for responses. But Im curious how others feel about any sense of patriotism towards there country. Any one post here from Iran? Probably not.....hmmm. How about Canada?

I just thought of a movie I once saw, based on a true story starring Martin Sheen. It was kind of interesting and thought provoking, It took me awhile to find it. It's called "The Execution of Private Slovik".

Here is the lowdown on the person from Wikipedia. There are many noteworthy questions that come up after reading it. Feel free to impart your opinions on whatever it is that comes to mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Slovik

[opsec]

That's about what I expected for responses. But Im curious how others feel about any sense of patriotism towards there country.

Define patriotism.

[Eddie]

That's about what I expected for responses. But Im curious how others feel about any sense of patriotism towards there country.

Define patriotism.

Some have already stated they would fight under certain conditions. This would define a sense of patriotism.