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Atash Hagmahani

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11 Oct 2008: Thoughts for the week
« on: October 12, 2008, 12:59:26 AM »
I first got the idea that "THIS IS IT" I think when I realized that our economic central planners would not allow our markets to melt down this close to BEFORE a national election. They had clearly lost control.

Another bad sign was that investment bank stocks were plunging.

Now we have yet another bad sign, that I have mentioned before, but now we're seeing the downstream effects: LIBOR rates are rising.

LIBOR is the rate banks charge each other. The fact that interbank rates are going up, means that the banks are fighting to stay alive and are not willing to risk their capital with other banks, except for higher interest rates to compensate them for what they perceive as rising risks of defaults.

Well, the LIBOR rates are written into other contracts too...including small business lines of credit.

I need some help here because I am not entirely familiar with corporate law and finance: I believe that corporations are discouraged from hoarding cash (through tax penalties), and that it is fairly normal for them to borrow for many routine expenses. SMALL BUSINESSES ARE EITHER NOT ABLE TO GET LINES OF CREDIT, OR THE RATES AT WHICH THEY CAN GET THEM ARE TOO HIGH FOR THEM TO AFFORD.

Now, for those who don't know:

* Small businesses hire most of the employees...
* Small businesses include most of the more profitable ones (they have to be profitable because they do not have access to big financial markets)

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES--AND THE JOBS THEY PROVIDE--ARE ON THE LINE.

I had some other thoughts for this week, that I am having difficulty remembering...I might post addenda to this topic...

I repeat from earlier posts: paper assets are becoming increasingly tenuous due to rising counterparty risk. I think the wise thing to do is to sell paper assets and hedge your bets with a combo of physical cash, physical gold, farmland, and various strategic tools.

Take delivery of any assets you own--including stock certificates if any. Think twice before owning stock. The economy is grinding down.

I'll have to give some thought to IRAs because those are custodial accounts. I'm not quite sure what the options are...but I do know that it is possible to own gold and real estate (at least it's a tangible asset) in IRAs. I'll probably move some of my IRAs into tangible assets. I think it is even possible to own offshore assets in an IRA.

« Last Edit: October 21, 2008, 02:01:10 AM by Atash Hagmahani »
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Re: 11 Oct 2008: Thoughts for the week
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 03:09:58 AM »
I heard on the radio tonight that in October of 1929, the stock market lost 17% of it's value over the course of a month. Right now the stock market has lost 18% of it's value over the course of a week. What should we conclude from this?
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Re: 11 Oct 2008: Thoughts for the week
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 11:41:40 AM »
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I'll have to give some thought to IRAs because those are custodial accounts. I'm not quite sure what the options are...but I do know that it is possible to own gold and real estate (at least it's a tangible asset) in IRAs. I'll probably move some of my IRAs into tangible assets. I think it is even possible to own offshore assets in an IRA.

This could be extremely important to us, or at least me.  My strategy would be to have my IRA buy my home and other real estate assets from me.  The result would be to put my illiquid assets in an illiquid account while simultaneously giving me liquidity (cash).

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Re: 11 Oct 2008: Thoughts for the week
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 01:07:44 PM »
Opsec, it means that we have one of either two possibilities:

* bear market
* "stealth bear" disguised as "reflation"

The bear market happens because the losses will feed on themselves due to "deleveraging" (having to sell stocks to pay back debt, which further drives prices down and magnifies losses!).

A "stealth bear" happens when new fiat credit is created to monetize the debt, but the new credit does not make unprofitable businesses profitable, and so their stock prices fail to keep up with the inflation that is thereby created.

Mike, I will figure out how to put real estate in an IRA and post what I find out.
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