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Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« on: August 19, 2009, 09:53:06 AM »
http://www.inquisitr.com/19009/police-office-pleads-not-guilty-to-assaulting-15-yr-old-girl-video-shows-otherwise/

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A police officer in Seattle has pleaded not guilty to assaulting a 15 year old girl in custody, despite footage showing him dishing out a savage beating.

Deputy Paul Schene stands accused of fourth-degree assault, including kicking the girl in the abdomen, slamming her against a wall and pulling her hair at SeaTac City Hall in November.

The King County Sheriff’s Office released a video surveillance tape showing the incident. The girl kicks off one of her shoes
, which Schene claims struck him in the shin, injuring him, although he’s off camera as the shoe flies.

From the video is appears to me that she kicked off her shoes with a pretty low effort, meaning there is no way she 'injured' that lowlife, at least in my mind.  Even if she had, the response was totally out of line, since he could have just easily grabbed her and put on cuffs.

It sure seems like the police are awfully violent up there.  An officer that did that to a 15 yr old girl in this part of the country would be fighting off a mob demanding his head on a platter.  Is this type of police behavior typical of large metropolitan areas or does it vary by state/region?

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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 11:02:04 AM »
She had a typical teenage "attitude" and he lost it. He was not "injured".

Yes, this is typical of big-city police. That's why I keep posting stuff about how to deal with interactions with police so as to improve chances for survival.

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An officer that did that to a 15 yr old girl in this part of the country would be fighting off a mob demanding his head on a platter.


The only reason anything came of it is because she's a girl, and a rumor spread that she is black (she isn't...might be mixed-race but mostly white). If she was a boy, he could have killed her, and nothing would have come of it but maybe some grumbling. The body count is rising from lethal encounters with police officers. Everett seems to be even worse than Seattle, having hosted several extrajudicial executions by enraged cops. The supposed "investigator" assigned to these incidents has already prejudicially claimed that the police are only doing their job, trying to minimize violence, etc. 

I think we need a white paper on the site on how to deal with police to maximize survival. I meant to post something and haven't quite gotten around to it yet.

It's spreading. I think the root cause is corruption. They don't make money hauling crooks into jail; they make money "other ways", and are eventually morphing into a paramilitary private goon squad/officially-sanctioned mafia. I have been warning for decades that this would happen.

There is another problem: as crime rates start rising again (they fell for a while, due to demographic issues), many people will fail to to make the connection. Already, forums commenting on any of several extrajudicial executions have largely been to the effect of "had it coming", oblivious to the fact that several of the attacks were totally unprovoked (wrong place at the wrong time). It is a paradox I have deal with in the past: when something really bad happens to someone, the assumption is that he must have done something "really bad" to deserve it. The details are lost in the assumptions.
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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 03:41:33 PM »
Is there a corelation between the size of the locally stationed military forces and the level of violence tolerated from and by the police?

IMNSHO the most dangerous place to live in Colorado is near the largest military concentration in Colorado Springs. I no longer live there and probably could not survive there if i did. Seems like i read something about the percentage of police officers with military experience is > 80%. The military forces are being brutalized by their participation in these endless wars of conquest, the soldiers come home (if they come home) damaged for EVER! Then they get discharged and look for work related to their military background. Viola! vicious police with experience killing without mercy for pay. No regard for "civilians" because now they are the enemy. This is not an accident these things are happening by design.

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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 08:23:22 PM »
I have long suspected that same thing. This is every bit as unfortunate for the police as it is for the civilians.
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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 08:41:29 PM »

and its equally horrible for the soldiers. The problem is the general malaise caused by our ownership by war mongering patholigic killers who have not the least bit of humanity in them.

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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 10:18:07 PM »
That might be it's own problem, but I do not think it is THE problem. I would guess that very few Seattle police officers are ex-military.

I also don't want to tar everyone with the same brush. Although the institution is corrupt, it is not fair to blame all police officers for the acts of some police officers. Most of them are just trying to make a living.

Sometimes the incidents that happen are in a sense "honest mistakes". Admittedly, the case that started this thread wasn't; he "lost" it without real provocation. Most of us have had a teenager mouth off at us, without us grabbing her by the hair and throttling her, and flinging a shoe is not that big a deal. He's got "anger issues" that he can't deal with.

But sometimes police officers do make honest mistakes--maybe even killing someone but not intentionally. That case where the police officer at the BART station summarily shot a suspect probably really was a case of the dummy spacing out and thinking he is pulling out a Taser not a gun (but why oh why do they think they need to show force AFTER the suspect is subdued and compliant?! Who is training them this way, and why?!). I don't think that they are motivated to randomly kill people without provocation--more likely, confusion, poor training, and a certain paranoia insofar as they DO get shot or shot at from time to time "in the line of duty". Most of them are just trying to make a living, and caught up in a web of corruption they didn't create.

Similarly it wouldn't be fair to blame soldiers for the war. It's also counterproductive because they don't make policy. The people who do make policy are insulated from criticism and live in decadent luxury in toney neighborhoods on the banks of the Chesapeake and other favored haunts, while the soldiers are subject to a variety of deprivations and injustices--for example, many of them get "Dear John" letters and end up with alimony, child support payments, sometimes for offspring that are not theirs after having been cuckolded while they were away, sometimes getting cleaned out of all personal property (this happened to my brother; he came home and she was gone and so was everything they owned. He got the bills). My stepfather got handed a bill for the welfare benefits that his wife and her boyfriend racked up while he was in Vietnam, while she was also collecting his salary on top of welfare.

Many of them end up with disabling injuries, and their supposed benefits don't cover the catastrophic costs of dealing with the situation.

There is a problem, that has been mentioned briefly, that soldiers come back with a greater propensity for crime and unprovoked violence than the population at large. Bear in mind that it's still only a relatively few bad apples, and sometimes soldiers themselves are victims of soldier crime.
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Re: Officer pleads not guilty to assaulting 15 yr old girl
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2009, 01:54:50 PM »

Please forgive me if i said something which caused  you to think i was blaming soldiers, maybe police officers but not soldiers. I am a veteran, having served voluntarily during a time of conscription, 3 years, 5 months and 27 days active duty. I carry a service related disability that is not combat related, and is noncompensable but has caused great pain and difficulty in my life. My father was career military with 23 years active duty.

As was adjudicated at Nuerenberg every soldier at every level is responsible for their individual acts. However i do NOT believe the soldier is at fault. The soldier is trained and bound by threat of death to obey orders from higher command. It is that higher command (at all levels including civilian) that bares the full responsibility for policy decision and policy implementation.

If you think the military high command is loyal to the US Constitution please research Operation Zipper, and Operation North Woods just to name two, and there are lots more examples. There was a violent coup de tat that day in 1963 and as another son of a veteran, Bruce Willis, pointed out ""I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm pretty sure those guys are still in power, in some form. The entire government of the United States was co-opted," adds the Die Hard star."

Its not the soldiers and its not the police as individuals that are to blame. One of my favorite teachers was the police chief of a local town and runs a dojo for women who are victims of viiolent crime. He was top cop and a great advocate of the second amendment. Bad cops and bad soldiers do exist and need to be stopped, but most are loyal to what they believe is the best interest of the country.