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Personal gas mileage experiment
« on: September 19, 2008, 05:58:01 AM »
I have heard about adding pure acetone to one's gasoline at a rate of 3 ounces per 10 gallons in order to significantly increase mileage. I've looked at this on the internet and reports have it both ways, either the idea works as advertised or there is no change accompanied by the possibility of engine damage. Proponent of this claim that the engine damage theory is disinformation planted by oil companies. Well, I'm going to find out. Later today, I'm off to the hardware store for some pure acetone, and then to the gas station for a fill up. The test vehicle/sacrificial lamb for the experiment will be a 1998 Ford Taurus with 129,000 mile on it. It should be a fairly accurate test. I had a full tuneup including having the air intake cleaned out, as well as running several cans of fuel injector cleaner through it within the last 5000 miles. I've also had the oil changed recently. All of this rules out any kind of cleaning by the acetone as an explaination for a change in mileage. I get almost exactly 27.5 mpg on the highway, and I seem to be getting about 18 in the city. I fill up about once every two weeks. I will post my results here.
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 06:12:13 AM »
Good luck!
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 09:34:48 PM »
I just filled up and the acetone is in. I have a 16 gallon tank and I put in about 4.5 ounces. According to the formula, the optimum mixture would dictate 4.8 ounces, but the graph I've seen indicates that this will not significantly effect the results. We shall see...
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 03:08:03 AM »
Well, it's been one week and 330 miles. I did all the math, and the verdict is...it works!  :dance017:

The results are not as impressive as the guy that did this experiment on youtube, but I did get a 12-14% increase in gas mileage. My higway milage increased from 27.5 mpg to 31 mpg and in the city I went from 18 mpg to 20 mpg. Nothing to rave about, but at current prices that's the same as knocking about 49 cents per gallon off of the price of gas.

I'll try again with another tankfull when I fill up tommorow to see if there is some kind of cumulative effect that will cause the mileage to either increase or decrease over time.

Incidentaly, the quart size can of acetone that I bought at Home Depot cost about $6.00. I figure I saved about $6.50 when I filled up tonight, so the acetone paid for itself on the first tank and one can of acetone will treat almost 7 tankfuls of gas for an anticipated savings of roughly $45.00 in gas over the course of about 3 months (this was an unusually busy week for me) so it's economical even with this meager mileage improvement. Not to mention the satisfaction I got from giving the oil companies a kidney punch when I filled up.

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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 03:48:44 AM »
Good news. I've re-run the test and this time I made certain to stay off the highway so as to get the most accurate reading of my city mpg. This time around I got slightly over 21 mpg. That's a solid 16% increase.
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 07:32:41 PM »
From what I know of the internal combustion engine, it seems to me that it COULD cause damage, primarily to the piston rings, as you are burning a fuel more volatile than gasoline that burns hotter. On a car with the mileage you described, I don't imagine it will matter, and it certainly wouldn't happen in a week or two. I am just blue skying here. I am by no means a mechanic. I have just always worked on my own cars (out of necessity and cheapness... I mean who can afford the prices/ potential of getting screwed?) and have read a bunch about them. From the first carburetor I rebuilt at 12 for my dad, my car has never been in a shop. My dad would roll over in his grave... If he were dead.

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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 03:18:13 AM »
I asked my mechanic about this a few days ago. He told me essentially the same thing you did. I've stopped the experimentation. I don't imagine anything will go wrong after only 2 tanks of gas. Nice to know though if you are travelling and are truely desperate like some of the people fleeing Katrina were, then you could get away with it.
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 05:09:13 AM »
I asked my mechanic about this a few days ago. He told me essentially the same thing you did. I've stopped the experimentation. I don't imagine anything will go wrong after only 2 tanks of gas. Nice to know though if you are travelling and are truely desperate like some of the people fleeing Katrina were, then you could get away with it.


That is a great idea, that could make the diff from running out of gas on the highway vs making it to the next exit( to wait in line for more gas I suppose-- but beats walking) Thanks for the idea and info.
I am also gonna look into the stuff that Glenn Beck advertises-- BG44K supposedly it restores performance to like new by getting rid of carbon deposits, etc. available at places that are mom and pop or repair shops, and some dealerships ( who use it to restore their used for sale cars) not places like advance, napa, ChinaMart, etc

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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 05:19:09 AM »
Just remember the critical measurement is 3 ounces per 10 gallons (plus or minus an ounce). You will have to take that calculation into consideration whenever you add more gas because any significant deviation from that concentration will negate the efficacy of the acetone. The graph I saw showed a "sweet spot" which corresponded to a concetration between 2-3 ounces/10 gallons.
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 11:46:07 AM »
Instead of acetone, I suggest you use methanol or ethanol instead,

You'll be able the use more than 3 oz to every 10 gallons
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 11:50:13 AM »
They said it had to be acetone.
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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 07:24:52 PM »
My grandfather ran the acetone in his fuel from 1946-1986 and swore that none of his vehicles required extra mechanical work. However, this was pre-cheaply made car parts and fuel injection.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 08:04:51 PM »
I'm going to jump in here. I too have done my own mechanic work over the years. I was a shade tree before going into the Army the first time and my first job was as diesel mechanic, and after that I worked for a VERY short time in a Chevy dealer. (I'm no expert) I thought about getting into the fuel injector cleaning business for myself. Charge $50 or so a shot back in the early 90's. Not the stuff you pour into the tank either. The stuff were you shut off the fuel pump and put a pressurized bottle of stuff in the injector rails. Guess what that stuff was? You guessed it Acetone. Maybe what you did cleaned your injectors and valves, that is why the increase. Maybe yes, maybe no. BTW I didn't do it, cause I couldn't afford all of the special tools.

On another crazy note, about walking or rather not walking. I remembered my Grandpa telling me a story about WWII. He got a deferment because he worked in Detroit as a machinist. Well anyhow, they rationed gasoline, but not kerosene. He set up two tanks on his Model T. Start it on gasoline and when it got up to temp. change over to kerosene. I was living in Fenton Michigan right before and during Y2K, about 20 miles south of Flint. GM country, were Mr. Kettering did much research into this. But I digress. I got the brilliant idea to risk my lawn tractor on this experiment. I had barely any gasoline, but got her good and hot, then poured kerosene in it. Not much, about a quart. The gas was almost all gone so there wasn't much of that mixed with the kero. Went and mowed the lawn. In regular grass no problem, but in heavier grass it would bog down and sound like a diesel and black smoke poured out. Hmmm. So I did the research and found out what Mr Kettering did. It turns out that the kero isn't as volatile. Knew that right? The kero wasn't vaporizing completely under load and the droplets that were liquid inside the combustion chamber(liquid doesn't compress) was causing the compression ratio to shoot way up, hence the dieseling. Mr. Kettering blew the heads off many an engine before giving up, trying to run kerosene in a carbureted engine. I'm real lucky not to have ruined my mower :laughing002: But dumb doesn't stop in the quest for answers. I had a 93 Mercury Grand Marquis. I loved that car, but anyhow, I said OK what will happen if I pour two gallons in it, with the ten of gasoline already in it. I had an electronic dash that told me I had ten. This car had all kinds of electronics on it. It had two O2 sensors, because it was duel exhaust. What happened? Nothing. Ran like a champ, no problems. Had I kept doing it, maybe then.

Long story short :eatdrink004: Five gallons of gas to one of kerosene worked without a hitch. Car got 23 MPG Hwy, so that was good for 46 Miles on the hiway. That's a long way to walk.

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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 08:15:55 PM »
The only flaw I see is that kero is more expensive than gas. Which I don't get because it's less refined.

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Re: Personal gas mileage experiment
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 09:11:33 PM »
What about mixing the acetone with kerosene? Do you still have that lawn tractor Publius?
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