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Newbies being too quiet again.
« on: March 30, 2009, 11:49:00 PM »
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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 12:08:01 PM »
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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 08:45:35 PM »
Hello! I have been reading alot of y'alls articles the last month or so. I've found alot of useful information.
I suppose my main reason for not posting yet is being overwhelmed. :confused013:
My husband and I have a 4 acre small farm in rural NC but have so far to go. Some days I don't even know where to start. We are just starting our very first garden area, so wish us luck. And thank you for all the information I will try to chime in more.

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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 09:33:19 PM »
Welcome Dale6281.  :greet009:

You're right, you do have a lot of work out ahead of you. A mini-farm such as your own is a lot of work, and a challenge to make it work financially.

Let us know more about it. Several of us are good resources for crop issues (though you are in a different part of the country than some of us), and for financial matters. We're trying to help folks stay solvent through the current economic crisis, who don't "qualify" for bailouts.  :happy112:

I suggest planning your crops for ease of cultivation and storage. That's what I am doing--growing mostly crops that I know are easy to grow and store. Luckily they happen to be types that I like anyway, which isn't too surprising since I'm not all that picky.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 05:13:13 PM »
Thank you for the welcome!
  Well we are so fortunate to have a 75 year old farmer (our adopted grandpa) that is more than willing to give us advice on growing locally. He has recently begun growing loofa. He is always trying new things. So far we have squash, tomatoes, peppers (red/yellow/green),and onions. I want  to try peas and beans, but not sure about that. Sounds like it may be beyond my skill level. 2 peach trees and 2 apple trees. Oh and of course a few watermelon.

  No animals other than dogs on the farm right now, but we are looking to build a chicken coup before the end of summer. We have a neighbor that offered to sell us a cow, but we just don't know if we want the expense and manual labor of a good heavy duty fence. My husband is disabled from several surgeries so it limits what we can do a little.

 I am thinking of trying one of these potato growing bags I saw in a gardening magazine. Anybody ever tried one?
Or what is the best way to grow potatoes with limited space.

 I guess that's a pretty quick overview for now.

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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 06:53:35 PM »
>>Well we are so fortunate to have a 75 year old farmer (our adopted grandpa) that is more than willing to give us advice on growing locally.

That's making good use of available resources. A lot of old-timers have a certain "savoir vivre" (I don't know how to call that in English--a certain way of making their way through life) that's missing in the younger generations.

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want  to try peas and beans, but not sure about that. Sounds like it may be beyond my skill level.

Peas are going to be fussy in your climate, but not necessarily hard except for timing. You see, peas grow cool, and if it gets too hot for them, they stop growing, and, worse, they start succumbing to diseases such as "pea enation virus". So, you probably need to start peas very early, or very late. Now, I actually grew one called "Blauschokkers" right through the heat of summer one year--it was one vigorous pea! A soup pea, harvested fully ripe and eaten like a bean.

Some dwarf peas are ready so fast, that you have more wiggle-room for timing. Personally, I like the afilia types like "Tacoma", because I don't have to stake them.

Beans, however, you will find one of the easiest crops you could grow. I assume that you mean common beans--Phaseolus vulgaris. The kinds grown for "string beans" or "green beans" or "French beans" (many different names in different parts of the world--the green pods), or, some of them, when fully ripe, are common beans such as pinto beans, soldier beans, kidney beans, etc. You plant these when the soil has warmed up. The types with colored seeds are less picky about soil temperature than the ones with white seeds, which I always avoid because I live in a cool part of the world.

The easiest of the "green beans" are the "bush bean" type--they grow on dwarf vines so short they sort of self-support, so you don't have to trellis them. They grow extremely fast in warm weather, and are ready to harvest quickly.

However, you will get much better yields from "pole beans", which are taller, and take longer, but bear over a much longer time frame. These must have some type of support--a pole, or trellis, or a net strung between sturdy supports, or a "tepee", or something like that. Your farmer can suggest supports and how to make them.

The father of one of our members really liked this one for productivity:

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/catalog/product.aspx?item=34

I would otherwise suggest colored-bean types--yellow, purple, mottled, something like that. The reason is that it is much easier to spot the pods, which otherwise look so much like the stems they are hard to spot (green on green kinda thing going on). If the beans get over-ripe, they're not very tasty (for some reason, many people in rural areas often intentionally let them get too fat. I am a city boy and like them very slender, and barely cooked--still a little crunchy).

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/catalog/product.aspx?category=1&subcategory=341&item=2944

Something that should do well in your part of the world, is a similar crop, but coming from a different species, a Vigna instead of a Phaseolus. They are called "Long Beans" (some people call them "yard long beans", but if you let them get that big, they are OVERRIPE), and they are what people in the warmer parts of Asia eat instead of green beans. They are tougher, and need to be "blanched" (boil water, then turn it off, and plunge the beans into the hot water for about 5 minutes) before briefly sautéing. If properly prepared, it is a fairly "meaty" bean, a little more substantial than its American cousin. They are easy to grow in hot climates with long summers.

Here is a link to a seed source for several different varieties:

http://rareseeds.com/seeds/Long-Beans

They grow on sturdy, vigorous vines that grow fast in hot weather. They love heat.

If you want dry beans, there are lots of choices. Here is a quick-bearing bush type for cranberry beans:

http://www.territorialseed.com/product/516/184

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My husband is disabled from several surgeries so it limits what we can do a little.

I suggest no cow then.

Chickens are easy. 90-year-old grannies have chickens. Avoid the highly-domesticated types and just stick to the old-fashioned ones that can raise their own chicks. Chickens are highly instinctual animals. They know when it's time to go back to the safety of their roost (provide them a coop where they can stay out of reach of predators), they are good at foraging for "found" food (including your vegetables--they like anything humans do!--so keep them OUT of the garden unless closely supervised), and overall are just really easy to keep.

>>Or what is the best way to grow potatoes with limited space.

Unless you're talking sweet potatoes, it's getting late to be planting potatoes. Mine haven't gone in yet either, but my climate is cooler than yours. Potatoes are weird: they are high-elevation tropicals. They volunteer readily in my climate, because the soil doesn't freeze deep enough to kill them. So, they are sort of intermediate between cool-weather crops and warm-weather. But they don't like really hot weather.

To answer your question, just about ANY way is a good way to grow potatoes with limited space; they are roughly the most productive crop you could grow. That's why they are cheap. Have a look at my home page lately (www.mutuallyassuredsurvival.com). First article on the main page,  I think.

The productivity of potatoes is mind-boggling. The Irish peasants were feeding around 20 people per acre on potatoes. Unfortunately for them, they were peeling the potatoes--a horrible mistake, as all of the protein in a potato is found in the yellowish filmy layer RIGHT under the skin. That's why we do not peel potatoes at our house, unless AFTER boiling them, and pulling off JUST the very outermost layer. Potatoes are roughly 2% protein, which is fairly pathetic, but it is high-quality protein, and because potatoes are so prolific, that's how come you can feed so many peasants!

Potatoes grow best in loose soil--a sandy loam is nice. If you don't have that you can try a bit of gypsum to make heavier soils more crumbly. They also happen to like somewhat acidic soil, but are not very picky. They are not heavy feeders, which is amazing compared to their productivity--sort of the opposite end of the scale from corn, which is a greedy feeder just for a few ears.

Potatoes, like their cousins tomatoes, are DEATHLY VULNERABLE to Phytophthora infestans (Irish potato famine disease). Just like tomatoes, it kills them in a few hours. Unlike tomatoes, they are usually harvested long before it hits. My yard is loaded with the disease, but no problems growing potatoes. The Irish had a cool wet season the year it hit.

Watch for other diseases too. Potatoes not particularly disease-resistant. Ask the farmer what potato diseases and pests occur in your area.

Among other qualities you might look for in a potato, you might want to look for colored flesh--typically yellow or yellowish--as it boots the nutritional value a bit. Contrary to popular opinion, potatoes are actually fairly nutritious, and not just empty calories. It's the sour cream, or frying them, that turns them into fat pills.

You can grow them in big tubs if you like. Several plants to a big tub. I've heard of people growing them in bags, but I don't see the point, other than to make them easier to harvest (you pull the bag down, and sift through the soil with your hands). Potatoes are usually fairly compact plants above-ground.

>>He has recently begun growing loofa.

Fully mature, with the flesh rotted out (that's how you extract the fiber), they are famous and valuable as scrubbers.

But immature, they are edible. They have a fairly typical cucurbit taste, a bit like a cucumber except you eat them cooked (use your imagination). There are two species, one usually used for scrubbers and the other usually eaten, but I think both of them work both ways.

So, it is a multi-use crop. Eat some, and make scrubbers out of the rest.
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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2009, 09:05:29 PM »
dale6281,
   You will get the most use out of the forums if you start with the first posts and work you way forwards in time. That seems to be where most of the information is. That won't be information overload. I think the preparedness forum is only about 5 or 6 pages deep. BTW, welcome aboard.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 07:09:50 AM »
I'm a newbie officially, but have been nosing around the site for some months now. I am very impressed with the site, and check in several times per day. I'm a single mom from Ohio. I am a doctor of chiropractic and an acupuncturist. I live the natural lifestyle. I am vegetarian and a health food nut. I try to do things to help make me more self sufficient and help the environment, like gardening, preserving food, recycling, being frugal etc. I love the topics discussed on this site and will try to make myself more known in forums now that you all know me.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 06:24:16 PM »
Welcome aboard Frugalmom. Gardening and preserving food figure largely in the future that we see coming. Please do make a particular point of responding to posts having to with food growing and preservation as well as any others that fall within your sphere of knowledge.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 10:38:07 PM »
Frugalmom, we have vegetarian recipes posted from time to time. I will probably post "Poor Man's Polenta" (joke--polenta is "poor man's lasagne") one of these days. I took lots of pix last time I made it.

I bought a 25 pound bag of corn meal. Unfortunately, stone-ground cornmeal does not cook particularly evenly. It's OK from the pressure-cooker, but I might need to cook it a little longer than I would cook polenta/corn grits, which alas I can not buy in bulk and is rather expensive in yuppie stores (if you can find it at all--mostly in yuppie stores they have it pre-cooked!).

Unfortunately, I had a severe hiatal hernia some years ago. Naturally, the doctor prescribed antacids (they all do) hoping that would take care of it (before he realized it was a hiatal hernia, and my stomach had been sucked up into my chest, and I almost died...).

Unfortunately, I obeyed the doc and took the acid blockers (Prilosec or something like that). The result was that bacteria probably invaded what became a not-sufficiently-acidic upper intestine.

Ate away the lining. It seems like it should grow back in 4 days, but once it's compromised and infected, it seems to result in a chronic condition.

The intestinal lining compromised, certain foods now irritate my GI tract.

The worst is oats. A small amount of oatmeal will send me into severe GI distress.

Next worst is gluten. I seem to be able to tolerate small amounts, but if I gorge on a lot of chewy high-gluten breads, I'll pay for it.

I was warned to avoid soy, but that is hard for various reasons, and as far as I can tell it's usually not a problem. We have a lot of soy products at our house (my wife is Chinese). I seem to be able to eat any amount of daufu or soymilk, although textured soy protein can be a problem in large amounts, possibly because of the fat, or because it is too dry to easily chew up. Daufu being watery and almost gelatinous is easy to digest.

Too much fat causes me GI distress as well.

I have found that among the grains, I can eat rice and corn, which I think are two of the most easily digested. No gluten, and no whatever is in oats that I can't tolerate. I suspect millet would be tolerable to me, but I do not have the habit of eating it anyway. It is extremely hard for me to find breakfast cereals, but now that I have figured out rice and corn will work, I can make porridge out of those.

Overall, the symptoms are declining. I'm usually OK, especially as long as I watch what I eat.

The sad part is that I am a REALLY good baker (as in, all sorts of glutinous breads--even fancy artisan types). And I love bread.

One thing I am trying to experiment with, is yeast-raised pancakes using non-glutinous flours--like injera (teff) and dosas (rice and lentil). I've heard yeast-raised pancakes are really good, and that pure buckwheat is good. The reason batter breads don't need gluten is because it's OK for the bubbles to reach the surface--it creates a slightly different, spongy texture than a glutinous bread.

It's not for my benefit, though. The idea is to come up with recipes for savory dinner pancakes, as a cheap, nutritious, and easy-to-make supper. Just wrap them around something else, like a dosa. Then, to teach other people to make them, to save money and eat more nutritiously.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 10:43:45 PM »
We anxiously await to hear from you.  :eatdrink004:

Hey Atash,

It won't be too long you'll be posting "I wish this guy would just shut up already!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 12:22:56 AM »
I dare you. (Just make sure it's friendly and suitable for my family-friendly G-rated forums).  :happy112:

We anxiously await to hear from you.  :eatdrink004:

Hey Atash,

It won't be too long you'll be posting "I wish this guy would just shut up already!!
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 08:22:17 AM »
Atash, I have a wonderful teff pancake recipe. It is my favorite. let me know if you want to try it. Also have you tried acupuncture for your digestion problems? Sometimes I get great results with food type allergies in my office.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 12:19:44 PM »
Thanks, Frugalmom. I'm sure I can make injera. I can buy teff here, because of the large Ethiopian population (heck, I can buy ready-made injera in the same shops that sell teff, which is why it's hard to get motivated to try it). The problem is that most folks can't, and even here I'd have to go out of my way to buy the teff flour. I'd like to come up with recipes I can share, because I think that they would be excellent for quick, easy, cheap, nourishing, and acceptable dinners. You're not all that poor, if still eating well!

My guess is that they can be made out of more common grain flours as well, that I can buy on my regular shopping runs. I know they work just dandy with wheat (which is the problem); my guess is that if I use the right non-wheat flours, get the batter to the right consistency, etc, they will work just fine.

I have a recipe that uses buckwheat, and I keep trying to make them, but my family keeps interfering with my plans (I have to start the batter a few hours before dinner, and other family members often interfere by starting something else--one of them will make rice, and I will ask "oh, what are we having for dinner?", and they say "I don't know. I just thought I'd make some rice to go with it"). Buckwheat would be a good choice, because it's already a complete protein, and it doesn't seem to cause me any problems. It's readily available where I already shop. It seems, though, that it should be cheaper than it actually is. Buckwheat flour is kinda pricey.

Rice flour is cheap and readily available (though I would like to try making my own, if I knew which kind of rice to use; results vary dramatically according to how much glutin (the starch that makes certain kinds of rice sticky) not to be confused with glutEn they contain). I might try mixing flours.

I think one more issue might be the grind of the flours. I am guessing fine grinds work better especially with some grains. But not all flours available in all grinds. Corn for example is often ground into an irregular, lumpy meal, and in fact that's what I have to work with. I could try grinding it down finer if necessary. Indians usually but not always make Dosas by soaking the rice and lentils and then grinding them. Probably easier to get a smooth batter that way.

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Also have you tried acupuncture for your digestion problems? Sometimes I get great results with food type allergies in my office.

No, but my wife is suggesting it for another and possibly related problem: myalgia (chronic muscle pain). It started at the same time as the other problems.

Before I try that, I'd like to see if self-hypnosis would work. Sometimes it does with allergies. The idea is to create biofeedback loops to fine-tune the immune response. Probably works better for hayfever since the reaction occurs over a long time-frame which gives you a wide window of opportunity to work on the symptoms. Whereas mine occurs only just after eating something with oats or wheat in it.

BTW, before I forget: I've got lots of references for non-traditional methods of treating various ailments, that I have collected on the theory that current medical treatments are going to become increasingly less available, as more and more hospitals go bankrupt, and as medical costs keep spiraling out of reach for anyone who does not have Medicare, because of Medicare itself. You might either be interested, or perhaps already know of these techniques, and can help me evaluate them and give tips.

In general, I am becoming fairly sceptical of mainstream medicine, because too much of it centers around drug therapies--as if everything is caused by "chemical imbalances"--which themselves often create self-reinforcing chemical process loops that themselves start producing highly undesirable side-effects (the doctors prescribe drugs to deal with the side effects from the drugs to deal with the side-effects of the drugs, etc), temporary or permanent psychosis caused by many psychotropic drugs, and drug dependency.

The doctors think nothing of creating situations where their patients will not only develop permanent drug dependency for life, but will die if taken off. They have been trained--by the drug companies--to do this, and don't even question the ethics or the possible ramifications. A lot of people will die from drug dependency when the system breaks down.
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Re: Newbies being too quiet again.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2009, 12:29:34 AM »
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myalgia (chronic muscle pain).


Atash,
    You might try Rolfing massage therapy, trigger point massage therapy, or some other kind of body integration massage for this.

http://www.essortment.com/all/whatisrolfing_rllo.htm
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