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Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« on: December 31, 2008, 06:39:50 PM »
Destination unknown, & time is short.

No need to resist change, this time.
It will be overwhelming.

I'm worried about the man on the street, who will kill you for a bag of rice.
So, I hope to get myself West of the Mississippi River, in the very near future.

The only question is whether I lose my trailer, or get some motivating work...
I can do high, wide & heavy, but demand for moving equipment & machinery, has tanked.

I'm ill prepared, and looking for ideas...
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 07:45:18 PM »
Howdy, Sam.  :greet009:

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...demand for moving equipment & machinery, has tanked.

A lot of us are in the same boat, Bud. Jobs are going fast. Keep talking to us and tell us what kinds of things you know how to do. Hopefully someone will have an idea. Let's brainstorm.

Don't worry about taking a low-paying job if you can find one; the most important thing will be to stay employed, and out of debt.

We have another (former) trucker here; at least one. Welcome.

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So, I hope to get myself West of the Mississippi River, in the very near future.

We're all over the place, including around the world. You might try fishing around oil-producing territories; they will have jobs longer than most of the rest of the world. Prices are down but we don't expect that to last.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 08:10:22 PM »
Howdy, Sam.  :greet009:

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...demand for moving equipment & machinery, has tanked.

A lot of us are in the same boat, Bud. Jobs are going fast. Keep talking to us and tell us what kinds of things you know how to do. Hopefully someone will have an idea. Let's brainstorm.

Don't worry about taking a low-paying job if you can find one; the most important thing will be to stay employed, and out of debt.

We have another (former) trucker here; at least one. Welcome.

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So, I hope to get myself West of the Mississippi River, in the very near future.

We're all over the place, including around the world. You might try fishing around oil-producing territories; they will have jobs longer than most of the rest of the world. Prices are down but we don't expect that to last.

Hi, Atash Hagmahani.

The trouble with trucking, is that it is all or nothing. 
I have no base from which to go out, then return to recover, repair and piddle around.  I have a lot of capacity, with the trailer, while I still have it.  It is rated up to 70,000 pounds, but anything over about 40,000 pounds, will require a permit.

The neck of the trailer detaches, for roll on, roll off loads.  The deck is 18" to 24" off the ground, depending on weight, so I can legally handle tall loads up to 11'6", without additional permits.  There are pictures on my 360 page.

Driving just does not leave a lot of time for other pursuits.

I'm already up to my eyeballs in debt.  I have a low cost of living, but could not see how bad the market would deteriorate.  I had hoped to be completely debt free, by this time last year.

The oil patch is contracting, also.  The only thing I've heard, is that one rail road was short of workers.  I don't know how true it is.

I've been looking around, and keep coming up empty.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 09:10:55 PM »
OK. Check back after the new year...it's a little quiet right now because of the holidays. I'm here, because I'm square and wouldn't have anything else to do on a New Year's Eve...except fetch my wife from work at...groan...MIDNIGHT. Wish me luck dealing with the roads.

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I have a low cost of living, but could not see how bad the market would deteriorate.

Too bad you didn't find us earlier. We could have warned you. The talking heads on TV were keeping everybody in the dark about how bad things were, trying to keep the house of cards intact as long as possible, but the signs were there for those who know how to read them.

But we still have lots of ideas left so stay tuned and keep a cool head. It will be OK.

Some good news is that if you can hold out a while longer, high inflation will eat away the value of your debt. The problem is that it will remain hard to stay employed.

We think next year will be a hard one, so batten down the hatches then stay calm and alert. Keep watching my "discussion" posts, and don't be shy about asking questions. We might have an "employment" summit here soon, because it's a big problem for a lot of us.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 11:24:46 PM »
Sam,
    The only thing I can think of is to sell the rig and hire on as a company driver or lease yourself to a company. As things deteriorate, people are going to need to combine their resources and live together to produce food and earn money. Do you have any family or friends that would let you live with them and park the bobtail on their property? If so, you could return the favor by helping them and yourself stockpile food, weapons, and cash. You might go into bankruptcy, but that won't mean a lot as long as you have a place to live.
   
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 04:58:02 AM »
Thanks, Atash.
I think you are right, about next year.  But, I'm really concerned about the USA imploding under its debt load.  That has implications for civil strife, political upheaval, terrorism, martial law, ect. 

We have lost so many freedoms, under the lame duck, and the new guy don't know nothing, and will do exactly the opposite of what is needed.  So, I'm concerned about the passage of a way of life.  In fact, I think it has already happened - we just don't know it, yet.

Sam,
    The only thing I can think of is to sell the rig and hire on as a company driver or lease yourself to a company. As things deteriorate, people are going to need to combine their resources and live together to produce food and earn money. Do you have any family or friends that would let you live with them and park the bobtail on their property? If so, you could return the favor by helping them and yourself stockpile food, weapons, and cash. You might go into bankruptcy, but that won't mean a lot as long as you have a place to live.

opsec, too many units stacking up everywhere, across the board.  Prices are still dropping because demand has halted, and nobody has money or credit.  I'm leased on to a large carrier, a lot like Landstar.

I'm more or less an orphan, with nowhere to go.  With the outlook, I don't think I'll even worry about bankruptcy.  Couldn't afford it, anyway.  If nothing else, if I could find a place to park the truck, at least I would have a dry place to sleep.

I have a feeling that I will become a refugee.  That means that everybody else will look at me as a potential threat.  If worse comes to worse, I might try to get a horse, somehow, and head out dragging a litter of stuff I can salvage.  Then, I'll have to re-learn how to live off the land - which presents its own problems, with property owners.

The large training carriers have quit training, and like their smaller bretherin, have lots of idle equipment.  There is a huge and growing pool of experience drivers, looking for work, everywhere.  And, freight volumes are likely to shrink more, before leveling off.

I'm not real hopeful, right now.

I appreciate the ideas, though.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 05:07:51 AM by Sam1953 »
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 01:04:30 PM »
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I'm not real hopeful, right now.

I understand. Right now things are chaotic, so circumstances can change. It's like one of those games where reversals of fortune can change suddenly and unexpectedly. So just stay fed and out of trouble, and if things don't get worse they'll get better.

Let me tell you a story. My father-in-law is very intelligent but high-strung and STUBBORN. He was one of those people who got caught up in politics and ended up on the wrong side of the "bamboo curtain" (People's Republic of China). He ended up getting into trouble, was sent into "internal exile" (shipped to Chinese version of Siberia in Xin-Jiang), and was subject to frequent arrest, harassment, interrogation, and beatings.

He kept talking suicide to end it all.

Now, his wife isn't as smart, but she's a lot more down-to-earth, practical, and goes with the flow. She kept asking him why he would throw his life away instead of waiting for better times.

And they arrived surprisingly soon. The Great Cultural Revolution burned itself out from its own insanity. Its principals turned on each other and destroyed themselves. They applied to leave, and ended up in Hong Kong, where they have a pretty decent life, and lately they have a new grandson.

All you really need is food, water, and shelter. You could enjoy watching the sun rise tomorrow. So no panic, and no despair. They won't help. Accept what happens, and enjoy the show. :happy112:

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That has implications for civil strife, political upheaval, terrorism, martial law, ect.


Those aren't YOUR problems RIGHT NOW.

I live in a very riot-prone city. It is run by political radicals who have been known to intentionally help organize riots to create political pressure for the fantasy world they want to create (which can not exist in any possible world, because it is full of internal contradictions). One of our former city counsel members, Judy Nicastro, was even arrested (and promptly released, unfortunately) herself rioting along with other members of the "Communist Youth Brigade".

Interestingly and not surprisingly, I have noticed patterns. One is that the riots always break out in certain parts of town. Another is that they are not entirely spontaneous. They are not giant mobs roaming the city. Even though outsiders often put ideas in their heads, the outsiders themselves are just not that smart or creative. Basically, here, if you just avoid downtown, Capitol Hill where a number of political radicals themselves live (they were throwing bricks at innocent bystanders), and the neighborhoods where the rioters tend to live, you avoid them. It's that simple. 

Terrorists look for crowded places, and symbolic places. Terrorists aren't very intelligent or creative either. Avoid downtowns and airports.

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I'm more or less an orphan, with nowhere to go.

Find friends. The way to have friends is to be one. But use your good judgment regarding who is worthy.

I think you're also going to need to find a better environment. The good news is that the economy is not uniformly bad. I suggest finding a location and a line of work that will hold out longer. You might need to sell assets.

Unfortunately, I can only give advice in high-level terms, because I am not familiar with the situation in Florida, other than I know that it's real estate bubble has popped badly, and that it's economy is largely based on tourism, drug smuggling, and elderly people on pensions many of whom are themselves in dire straights due to rising property taxes and assets that are falling in value.

That's one reason I'm waiting for others to chime in (thanks, Opsec). We have folks in other parts of the country and other lines of business, who can supply information I can't.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 03:23:57 PM »
welcome sam.

your situation has me concerned.  well at least you are informed about your situation and thats a start.  i have relatives and friends that are truck drivers.  my cousin in  particular is a contract log truck driver.  most of his work is contracted through weyerhauser and he is down to driving 1-2 days per week from 6 days a week two years ago when there was the housing boom.  he was recently telling me that he thinks weyerhauser is probably going to shelve all their contract driver and stick with part time company drivers.  he also asked me for a job, but right now, as a building contractor, i have very little work.  right now as it is, i am going down to my carpenter local union hall on monday and get reinstated and hopefully pick up work that way. 

i hope that things work out for you.  like the other have said, you may want to park that truck and look into something new.  my plan is to stick close to home and continue to prepare for the things to come.

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 05:48:41 PM »
It all gets down to what you are prepared to do. When I have been going to my soon to end job at 4:30AM (0 dark thirty) I keep seeing somebody walking into town. This is winter in montana so the temps are around zero or the single digits. The other morning this person was carrying a big bag of cans probably to recycle.
Just goes to show you can survive just about anywhere. You know how to work hard, look ahead for problems and deal with officaldom  ie weigh stations and state patrol. Don't sell yourself too short. I would decide on what area or town you want to live in and get yourself there. Then look for work, not a career, not a long term thing but just some work to get by. If you barter for goods or a place to roll out your bedroll so much the better. I think there will be a increase in the demand for security personell for private homes and ranches and people who can fix stuff.
  Oh and welcome to this site, there is a broad range of stuff going on. Ryder, in montana where the cows outnumber the people.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 07:05:23 PM »
Atash, that is a good and practical story, about your in-law's.


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That has implications for civil strife, political upheaval, terrorism, martial law, ect.
Those aren't YOUR problems RIGHT NOW.

That is true, until you consider that the streets will be flooding, with hungry people who have nowhere to go.  They will be killing for food, for any perceived slight, ect. 

That begets police action, and could threaten the entire social fabric, what ever is left of it.   So, I see it, soon, and don't want to near populated places.  To wait, will likely be to face volumes of traffic on the roads, if not road blocks.

You're right about FL.  It is also a low wage state.
I'm more or less a loner, for various reasons.  I'm easy to get acquainted with, I'm gregarious - to a point.  People often think I'm an old acquaintance, when we've never met, before.  I can even get waitresses to hug me, on the first visit.

Trouble is, you don't know someone, until you have a real experience.  We're about to get some experience we've never had before.

So, it boils down to finding a place to hang out, where there might be a chance to forage for food, fish, and game.  That is my objective, right now.

It is good to have a rational voice, in the wilderness.
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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2009, 07:10:46 PM »
Thanks, nwdespot.

The economy continues to break down.
The pace will accelerate greatly, in the new year.

As mentioned, I'm looking for a place to hang out, where I will have a chance, by living off the land.

The problem there is that, property owners will not welcome me.
So, I will more or less become a squatter.

The option would be to find a more or less isolated commercially zoned area, with limited access, and near woods and water.
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2009, 07:17:40 PM »
Thanks, Ryder.

In populated places, people will likely kill that fellow, to get his cans....

The idea of providing security, in a barter situation, might be an option.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2009, 07:38:48 PM »
Hello Sam

Just to get it straight in my mind.   You own your own truck which you use to get freelance contracts to move and deliver goods.  You have debts and are finding that work is drying up.

Is that right, have i missed anything out?

I can understand why work has dried up in North Florida.  I was there for a period during the bubble and it was so obviously insane that i couldn't understand how anyone at all thought it was sustainable. The Uncle i was staying with owns a small patch of land he has built his own house on and he was getting calls everyday from random companies making him offers to buy his land at huge prices and a lot of building was taking place with no obvious buyers,  it was a pyramid system of speculators, where the last to cash out lost everything, and everyone knew that at the time!

However,  you must be mobile, the situation in Northern Florida is more pronounced than the rest of the USA with areas less immediately hit by the crisis. Is the trucking business so awful nationwide that there's nowhere with work?  I'm assuming that you have good mechanic skills from being a trucker, that's the sort of skill that is always useful, especially on a farm.

As a last resort, there are organisations which arrange work on farms for bed and board,  i've actually done that for the experience, for a man with your skills it might be a route to making useful contacts.

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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2009, 07:39:08 PM »
Not sure about PA as we just moved here.  I know last year in CA I was preparing taxes in So. Cal and could see the housing industry imploding.  Unemployment, multiple employers and fewer hours for anyone in a construction related job such as carpentry, masonry, building supplies & materials, and (unfortunately) truckers that worked in these industries.  

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Re: Poor trucker, in N Florida - for a bit
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 07:49:51 PM »
It sounds like we're getting somewhere. I am wondering if you need to drive to a better-off state, sell the truck, and find a new line of work.
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